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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Now, whether that carries over to charging primary students for cross
country and night flight is not yet fully answered.

It has been fully answered. It doesn't.

And, yes, you DO have to have a commercial ticket to charge students for
instruction.

No, you don't.

Pete

But you do have to have a commerical or ATP ticket to show up for your
CFI checkride.

Section 61.183: Eligibility requirements.
(c) Hold either a commercial pilot certificate or airline transport
pilot certificate with:

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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But you do have to have a commerical or ATP ticket to show up for your
CFI checkride.

So what? The eligibility requirements for the CFI have nothing to do with
the requirements for exercising the privileges of the CFI.

I'm not sure what you are trying to day. The fact is that there are no
CFI-Airplane instructors that are currently eligible to teach in
aircraft that do not have an instrument rating. If you believe you know
of a FSDO that is issuing CFI's to pilots w/o an instrument rating,
please post the name of the FSDO.

-Robert

And I'm not sure who you are talking to without at least a word or two of
the prior message.

Jim


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I'm not sure what you are trying to day. The fact is that there are no
CFI-Airplane instructors that are currently eligible to teach in
aircraft that do not have an instrument rating.

RST Engineering wrote:
And I'm not sure who you are talking to without at least a word or two of
the prior message.

The claim was that you could be a CFI-A w/o an instrument rating on
your commercial pilot certificate. That is not the case. There used to
be an instructor rating that did not require an instrument rating but I
believe 1973 was the last year you could still exercise that rating (it
was actually a rating that went on your pilot certificate).
Today, all CFI-A are instrument rated on their pilot certificates. If
someone believes there is a CFI-A out there w/o an instrument rating I
would challenge them to
1) Post that person's certificate here from the FAA registry showing a
CFI-A certicicate w/o an instrument rating on their pilot certificate
or
2) Post the name of the FSDO that is issuing CFI-A tickets to pilots
w/o requiring instrument ratings on their commercial pilot
certificates.

We can figure this out pretty quick. If those that claim you can be a
CFI in an airplane w/o an instrument rating would just show ONE CFI-A
w/o an instrument rating.

-Robert

BTW: I post the same challenge for commercial. Show me one CFI-A from
registry.faa.gov who does not hold a commercial pilots certificate or
ATP.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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The claim was that you could be a CFI-A w/o an instrument rating on
your commercial pilot certificate.

What claim? I didn't make that claim. I simply pointed out that not having
an instrument rating was in no way a barrier to having a Commercial
certificate.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I'm not sure what you are trying to day.

I'm trying to say that the requirement that one holds a Commercial pilot
certificate in order to take the CFI exam and to receive the CFI certificate
has nothing to do with whether one is required to have a valid Commercial
pilot certificate in order to use the CFI certificate.

The fact is that there are no
CFI-Airplane instructors that are currently eligible to teach in
aircraft that do not have an instrument rating.

That's a complete non-sequitur to your post to which I replied.
However...you wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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But you do have to have a commerical or ATP ticket to show up for your
CFI checkride.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether a CFI is required to have an
instrument rating.

If you believe you know
of a FSDO that is issuing CFI's to pilots w/o an instrument rating,
please post the name of the FSDO.

I have no idea how you got on to the topic of having an instrument rating,
when we were talking about having a Commercial certificate.

Pete