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Orval Fairbairn wrote: A neighbor, who is UAL (ret) asked me to circulate this one. They make some pretty good points, as the UAL people currently stand to get reamed pretty badly. They do? Not half as badly as a lot of much poorer people got reamed on the Gulf Coast earlier this month. I'll bet a good survey would show that these guys by and large are in the upper 10-15% of net worth between real estate, investments, and the like. Are you going to see retired UAL pilots selling their houses on golf courses? No doubt. Are you going to see retired UAL pilots in soup kitchens? Pretty unlikely on a $50k/year pension. As far as I'm concerned, that's where my responsibility ends. I'm 29 and can make a very good income and would still struggle to raise a family and put a few bucks in the bank so I have something to fall back on when I don't collect the pension I never had and Social Security raises the retirement age to one day short of my life expectancy. Oh, and now we're going to buy you all prescription drugs, too. Wunderbar! When do I get my handout? |
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Let's remember that the majority of those who are losing in the
UAL pension debacle are NOT the senior pilots. They are the mechanics, the flight attendants (who NEVER joined into the "employee owned" mantra), the gate people, baggage handlers, the admin staff (usually not union), and so on. |
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Blanche wrote: Let's remember that the majority of those who are losing in the UAL pension debacle are NOT the senior pilots. They are the mechanics, the flight attendants (who NEVER joined into the "employee owned" mantra), the gate people, baggage handlers, the admin staff (usually not union), and so on. It's not quite that simple. The PBGC will not guarantee over ~$50k/year in pension payments, and it's mostly pilots who are getting payments above that range. There is pain being distributed throughout the organization, but the mechanics, FAs, etc are losing proportionately a lot less than the upper-tier pilots. Also, I read somewhere that around 1/3 of UAL's pension funds were non-guaranteed funds (meaning UAL opted to not pay to insure them through PBGC) which is a pretty high percentage. This was not a secret nor were the under-fundings that had been going on for years. Frankly, UAL's unions were so uniquely obnoxious that I can't excuse them from culpability for all this. That place was a roaring party when times were good but hangovers are a bitch. -cwk. |
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