check brake pressure in pre-landing checklist?

I was taught to check brakes as soon as I was slowly rolling forward.


I think most people do a brake check as soon as they start the taxi. My
question was how many people do another brake check as part of their
pre-landing checklist. In my limited experience this is far less
common, but it seems like a good idea that doesn't add any siginificant
time or effort to the pre-landing check.

- Ray

I have had two brake failures in my 182. I was flying the backcountry
in Idaho once when I lost my left brake, being at a dirt strip without a
way to fix it. So we took off and flew to Cascade where there was a
mechanic. It's not that big a deal.



Ray wrote:

I was taught to check brakes as soon as I was slowly rolling forward.


I think most people do a brake check as soon as they start the taxi. My
question was how many people do another brake check as part of their
pre-landing checklist. In my limited experience this is far less
common, but it seems like a good idea that doesn't add any siginificant
time or effort to the pre-landing check.

- Ray

Newps wrote:
I have had two brake failures in my 182. I was flying the backcountry
in Idaho once when I lost my left brake, being at a dirt strip without a
way to fix it. So we took off and flew to Cascade where there was a
mechanic. It's not that big a deal.

My biggest concern about doing brake checks in the air, is that I've had
more times where cessna brakes have failed to RELEASE than I've had
them fail to engage. I'd rather land with them failed than land
with them locked.

Now you have to ask your self: how likely is the brakes likely to
have failed after the pretaxi brake check, how likely is pumping
them in the air likely to make things WORSE, and how useful is
the information that they aren't working on landing?

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Newps wrote:
I have had two brake failures in my 182. I was flying the backcountry
in Idaho once when I lost my left brake, being at a dirt strip without a
way to fix it. So we took off and flew to Cascade where there was a
mechanic. It's not that big a deal.

My biggest concern about doing brake checks in the air, is that I've had
more times where cessna brakes have failed to RELEASE than I've had
them fail to engage. I'd rather land with them failed than land
with them locked.

Now you have to ask your self: how likely is the brakes likely to
have failed after the pretaxi brake check, how likely is pumping
them in the air likely to make things WORSE, and how useful is
the information that they aren't working on landing?

Also true in winter if there is any chance water or slush might have
splashed up on the brakes. The water and slush can freeze at altitude and
the ice can lock the brakes if they are applied at altitude.

how many people do another brake check as part of their pre-landing checklist.

A charter pilot friend beat into my head (you'd be amazed how effective
that approach in instruction is..) to check for 3 green after gear
extension and pressure on the brakes. I do it every time when I fly the
Lance or Aztec. A brake failure is not a big deal at most of the
airports I fly into, but I don't ever want to be surprised by something
like that.

Testing the brakes is on my own 172 pre-landing check list and has been on
all the rental 172s I've flown with 3 different operators.

Marc


"Ray" wrote in message
...
I'm reading a book about general aviation safety that I picked up from the
library: "Flight Safety in General Aviation" by R.D. Campbell, 1987.

The book suggests that for planes with hydraulic brake systems you should
always check the brake pressure (by checking the pedal resistance) as part
of the pre-landing checklist. This is not included in the POH checklist
for any of the planes I fly and none of the instructors I have flown with
have every suggested this. But it sounds like a good idea to me. Does
anyone here have a brake check in their pre-landing checklist?

- Ray

Absolutely!

Dave



On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:49:21 -0700, Ray wrote:

I'm reading a book about general aviation safety that I picked up from
the library: "Flight Safety in General Aviation" by R.D. Campbell, 1987.

The book suggests that for planes with hydraulic brake systems you
should always check the brake pressure (by checking the pedal
resistance) as part of the pre-landing checklist. This is not included
in the POH checklist for any of the planes I fly and none of the
instructors I have flown with have every suggested this. But it sounds
like a good idea to me. Does anyone here have a brake check in their
pre-landing checklist?

- Ray

"Ray" wrote in message
...
I'm reading a book about general aviation safety that I picked up from the
library: "Flight Safety in General Aviation" by R.D. Campbell, 1987.

The book suggests that for planes with hydraulic brake systems you should
always check the brake pressure (by checking the pedal resistance) as part
of the pre-landing checklist. This is not included in the POH checklist
for any of the planes I fly and none of the instructors I have flown with
have every suggested this. But it sounds like a good idea to me. Does
anyone here have a brake check in their pre-landing checklist?


Definitely on the pre-land checklist for 150s and 172 at my school. It is
even on the HASEL check before stalls, although the reason for that is a
little hazy.

Brake check each and every time here!

By the way, Just had a wonderful weekend of flying a new to us, PA28-140
(1973 vintage) from Amery WI, to MIC, to ARR, to FDY, YNG, POU, PVD and to
the final leg PYM. Average Burn 8.2 gph, 12.1 hrs of flying.

Bill Snow PE, CP, IA, ASEL

("William Snow" wrote)
By the way, Just had a wonderful weekend of flying a new to us, PA28-140
(1973 vintage) from Amery WI, to MIC, to ARR, to FDY, YNG, POU, PVD and to
the final leg PYM. Average Burn 8.2 gph, 12.1 hrs of flying.


First: Looks like a GREAT trip!!
Second: Give us something to work with...anything. Amery WI was a good
start. g

Thanks :-)

Great Circle Mapper (Use the K in the airport codes)
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(same link as below ...wait for it)

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Crystal Airport (MIC)
Minneapolis, Minnesota

Aurora Municipal Airport (ARR)
Chicago/Aurora, Illinois

Findlay Airport (FDY)
Findlay, Ohio

Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport (YNG)
Youngstown/Warren, Ohio

Dutchess County Airport (POU)
Poughkeepsie, New York

Theodore Francis Green State Airport (PVD)
Providence, Rhode Island

Plymouth Municipal Airport (PYM)
Plymouth, Massachusetts

(Great Circle Mapper - link from above)
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=K...avy&MAP-STYLE=


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