Debacle: Flight test of Diana-2

Naresh,

Would you please share with us:
- What are your total glider hours flown as PIC ?
- Total hours flown in gliders with L/D40.
- Actual hours flown in gliders with L/D40 this year.

You mentioned only having 4 log books and 1250 flights.
Mark

wrote:

Naresh,

Would you please share with us:
- What are your total glider hours flown as PIC ?
- Total hours flown in gliders with L/D40.
- Actual hours flown in gliders with L/D40 this year.

You mentioned only having 4 log books and 1250 flights.
Mark

Mark

Among glass ships, I have flown Astir Jeans, Speed Astir (L/D ~40), LS4
(few flights), twin Astir, Janus (L/D 40 solo and carrying joyriding
pax, flapped), DG500 (L/D 40 solo and carrying joyriding pax), Fox,
ASK21 (over 20 hours this year carrying joyriding pax. DG300 (L/D 40
over 70 hours done this year alone and four flights on DG300 and one on
K21 in the last 4 weeks inspite of non-soaring weather here). All this
was known by the German/swiss/austrian distributor. He knew the hours
and the flights.

In addition, I've flown a host of lower performace gliders since
1982-1992 [Schweizer 2-22ek (my first solo), 2-33, 1-26 (over
200flights), K6, K7, Olmpia, T21b, Grurau baby]

The reason that I'm in the market for a new glider is that the DG300 of
the club will be sold, since I flew 95% of its time this year and the
others dont fly the DG300. I'd like to buy a high perf glider in a
syndicate. The gliders under consideration were (old ls8, old ventus,
new Lak17 and 19 and Diana-2).

Best,
Naresh

It is none of your business.
It is only between him and the group that put on the demo
by invitation only. He was invited.
Assessing some ones qualification is not done through
log books only. It is only a part. The problem it appears
lays with the organizers. They gave the pilot the run around.
The decision should have been made to let him fly or not
before he left his home. This group certainly should reimburse
his expenses. If only for public relations.
He has a right to be ****ed off about it.

Udo

Naresh,

Would you please share with us:
- What are your total glider hours flown as PIC ?
- Total hours flown in gliders with L/D40.
- Actual hours flown in gliders with L/D40 this year.

You mentioned only having 4 log books and 1250 flights.
Mark

Thanks for nice words, but you are wrong.
I believe that group will hear the other side story soon.

Mark

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:45:17 UTC, "Udo Rumpf"
wrote:

It is none of your business.
It is only between him and the group that put on the demo
by invitation only.

Could that not be said about the whole sorry business? If one part of
one side is made public I think it is reasonable to ask for fuller
details from both sides, or simply to conclude that it sounds very
unfortunate but we are not in a position to judge anyine.

Ian

--

Contrarywise, this is the perfect forum for airing this type of
dispute.

The prospect of being judged in public forces the other side to
respond, whereas otherwise they might simply shrug it off. How the
other side conducts themselves provides useful information for members
of the gliding public who may wish to deal with them in the future.

wrote:

The prospect of being judged in public forces the other side to
respond, whereas otherwise they might simply shrug it off. How the
other side conducts themselves provides useful information for members
of the gliding public who may wish to deal with them in the future.

And it works both ways.

The disgruntled customer protests in too much detail and too defensively
-- in a manner that calls into question his maturity as much as his
antagonist's methods.

In short, he does not on first impression seem the sort to whom I would
eagerly lend a very special ship.


Jack

That's also a valid interpretation (although Mr. Meuller's failure to
address key factual points lends credence to Mr. Naresh's point of view
in my opinion). The good news is, regardless of who is correct, we who
are not party to the dispute get a tremendous amount of entertainment
from it. Let the mud keep flying!

Jack, just what disgruntled customer's protests have you been reading?

The disgruntled former Diana customer provided far more detail than the
vendor and if I'd had my time and money wasted like that I would have done
the same thing. In even greater detail. And with a lot more finger-wagging.

I'm very thankful for consumers like him who share their experiences. Thank
you, Naresh, and I hope you eventually get some of your money back, though
I'm sure it's not nearly as valuable as the time you lost.

-ted/2NO
Chandler, AZ USA

"Jack" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:

The prospect of being judged in public forces the other side to
relspond, whereas otherwise they might simply shrug it off. How the
other side conducts themselves provides useful information for members
of the gliding public who may wish to deal with them in the future.

And it works both ways.

The disgruntled customer protests in too much detail and too
defensively -- in a manner that calls into question his maturity as much
as his antagonist's methods.

In short, he does not on first impression seem the sort to whom I would
eagerly lend a very special ship.


Jack

Hi,

I agree with Udo. I respect that they may have been concerned about his
experience, but then why did they let him come out to fly the glider and let
him pay for a local checkout flight since they obviously had no intension of
letting him fly. They started to put the glider away before his checkout
flight. That was extremely rude. My guess is that they let him come out to
see the glider and let him believe he would get a chance to fly it because
they wanted him to see the glider so they could sell him one. It is much
better to see a product first hand. Very misleading and questionable
marketing practices. Just my opinion.

Paul Remde

"Udo Rumpf" wrote in message
.. .
It is none of your business.
It is only between him and the group that put on the demo
by invitation only. He was invited.
Assessing some ones qualification is not done through log books only. It
is only a part. The problem it appears lays with the organizers. They gave
the pilot the run around. The decision should have been made to let him
fly or not before he left his home. This group certainly should reimburse
his expenses. If only for public relations.
He has a right to be ****ed off about it.

Udo
Naresh,

Would you please share with us:
- What are your total glider hours flown as PIC ?
- Total hours flown in gliders with L/D40.
- Actual hours flown in gliders with L/D40 this year.

You mentioned only having 4 log books and 1250 flights.
Mark