2002 ASW 27B

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2002,#27177. CAI 302 w/303, Sage CVA, B-40 vario

Three varios? Which one do you listen to, look at, connect to the Ipaq?

And I'm curious about how you use the 303 and Winpilot, since there is
some overlap there.


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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

Well Eric, the Sage doesn't have a GPS or a audio. the B-40 does have
a audio, but no GPS and the CAI 302 does have a GPS and a audio. The
B-40 and CAI 302 have a adjustment nob for audio volume. The CAI 302
and the B-40 do have different audio outputs, so it is very simple to
hear the difference. My right ear is trained to hear the B-40, and the
left ear is trained to hear the CAI 302. The 303 displays alot of
useful information which is used with the read out of the CAI 302 (if
you go to the CAI website you can study this information and maybe
increase your x-country speed) but the CAI 303 doesn't have a moving
map display, as does the Winpilot. Winpilot does require a IPAQ to use
and needs a GPS, which in my case is the CAI 302. WinPilot is useful
for TAT's, MAT's and for contest flying and tid bits of information,
such as making a task before you go fly, FAI triangles, and other
kinda neat stuff, such as using See You to make a task at home, then
send it to Winpilot, so you can then send it to the CAI 302 when its
time to go fly. You can go to WinPilot's website, and check it out
there. Winpilot gives the user alot of information inwhich they can
choose what they wish to see/use. I have found the B-40 is great for
working weak lift, the Sage CVA is great for when I see 14-20 kt
climbs in places like Ely, Parowan, or Alamogordo. The CAI 302 is also
used as a speed to fly instrument, and that's alot more detailed than
I want to go into at this time. BUT Eric, the most important thing is
...its what I like. # 711.

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Well Eric, the Sage doesn't have a GPS or a audio. the B-40 does have
a audio, but no GPS and the CAI 302 does have a GPS and a audio.

One of the reasons I like my 302 is it does it all (KISS principle for
me). No redundancy, however, but I can fire up the motor and get home
(the ultimate redundancy).

The
B-40 and CAI 302 have a adjustment nob for audio volume. The CAI 302
and the B-40 do have different audio outputs, so it is very simple to
hear the difference. My right ear is trained to hear the B-40, and the
left ear is trained to hear the CAI 302.

What differences do you hear? Is one set for faster response than the
other, or it is a matter of different responses to gusts? I set the
audio on my 302 for a faster response than it's needle, so I do get two
"types" of information.

The 303 displays alot of
useful information which is used with the read out of the CAI 302 (if
you go to the CAI website you can study this information and maybe
increase your x-country speed) but the CAI 303 doesn't have a moving
map display, as does the Winpilot.

I use SeeYou Mobile, which is similar to Winpilot. I looked at the 303
info on the CAI website, and it had nothing that wasn't available on the
302 itself, or on Mobile. I've not used Winpilot in flight, just the
simulator. What does the 303 show you that lets you increase your XC
speed that you can't see on the 302 itself, or in Winpilot? Or is it a
matter of displaying different info on each instrument, to avoid
pressing buttons, and if so, what's on the 303, what's on Winpilot? I
bet I'm not the only pilot that's interested!

I have found the B-40 is great for
working weak lift,

Is it the audio or the needle that help the most?

the Sage CVA is great for when I see 14-20 kt
climbs in places like Ely, Parowan, or Alamogordo.

Haven't had that "problem"! Ely - maybe next year!

The CAI 302 is also
used as a speed to fly instrument, and that's alot more detailed than
I want to go into at this time. BUT Eric, the most important thing is
..its what I like. # 711.

I assumed that - just trying to learn what other pilots use, and why, so
I can make better choices. Two varios is common, three isn't.

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Washington State
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Eric, you really need to check that 303 again. Because it really
displays alot more information than the 302 shows. Read the manual on
it, or call me. With your KISS, that's you, what else can I say on
that, and its not me. For God's sake, keep posting on this, cause it
keeps my ad on the front page. Ya, remember, I posted this to show my
27 is for sale, not as a training topic. Hell, Eric, one guy sent me a
email, he's got 9 vario's, some rich, retired Airline pilot. Can you
believe that? My God. # 711.

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Eric, you really need to check that 303 again. Because it really
displays alot more information than the 302 shows.

I know that, but in combination with Winpilot that you use (or SeeYou
Mobile that I use), how is it an asset? Doesn't the 302/winpilot show
you everything that the 303 does? The 303 seems redundant, so I'm trying
to determine if it's the redundancy you value, dual displays showing
different sets of information, or some other reason.

Read the manual on
it, or call me. With your KISS, that's you, what else can I say on
that, and its not me. For God's sake, keep posting on this, cause it
keeps my ad on the front page. Ya, remember, I posted this to show my
27 is for sale, not as a training topic.

I'm not looking for training (though I might benefit from some...), but
mostly for exposure to new ideas. If I just talk to guys that do stuff
exactly like I do, I'm not going to learn much. Better to talk to the
guy (or guys, if there is more than one out there) with three varios!

Hell, Eric, one guy sent me a
email, he's got 9 vario's, some rich, retired Airline pilot. Can you
believe that? My God. # 711.

Is he the guy with nine batteries to charge?


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Eric, you really need to check that 303 again. Because it really
displays alot more information than the 302 shows. Read the manual on
it, or call me. With your KISS, that's you, what else can I say on
that, and its not me. For God's sake, keep posting on this, cause it
keeps my ad on the front page. Ya, remember, I posted this to show my
27 is for sale, not as a training topic. Hell, Eric, one guy sent me a
email, he's got 9 vario's, some rich, retired Airline pilot. Can you
believe that? My God. # 711.


A man with one vario knows how fast he's climbing. A man with two is never
sure.

Tim Ward

He who knows that he knows not is far wiser than he who knows not that
he knows not.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

I have 2 varios. I use 2 seperate flight computer running off of their
own GPS each on their own electrical system that are not connected. So
if my main system with 2 batteries go out. I will always have my
volkslogger and PDA to use to get home and more importantly score my
flight because it has its own battery. Plus that one has 2 flight
computer software's on it, so depending on my mood I can pick which one
I want.

Yes I charge all 3 batteries every night at contests.

If I was a big guy I would use the tail battery and have 4 batteries.

Redundancy is good when your trying to win.

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He who knows that he knows not is far wiser than he who knows not that
he knows not.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com


Huh?

bumper

Eric,

I also use several redundant systems in my ventus. Sage, B50, B2000 &
WinPilot PRO. I used WinPilot PRO for Tasking , climb maximizer and
navigation, marking lift (lift dots), wind, final glide etc, the B50
for speed to fly (sound etc.) climb. Sage as a back up. ( I haven't
need it, but is does match the B50.) I set the B2000 for alternate
airports & landing fields in the area that I am flying and a check on
the Wind Calcs and final glide.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com