plane crashed on takeoff attempt after emergency landing

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Toks Desalu wrote:

Comments?

A safe pilot would have walked down the takeoff route carefully
measuring the distance and the side to side clearances. Both the
emergency landing and the collision on takeoff were preventable.

My comment is only to seriously question the judgement of the pilot.


A question that the FAA will likely ask.

My comment is only to seriously question the judgement of the pilot.

A question that the FAA will likely ask.

We can only hope so.

I feel sorry for the guy, but, man, there's really no excuse for what
he did.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

I feel sorry for the guy, but, man, there's really no excuse for what
he did.

True enough. At the very least he should have sought the opinion of
an experienced pilot familiar with the 210 as to the feasability
and safety of such a take off.

As a relatively low time pilot he probably should have paid an experienced
commercial pilot to fly it out to the nearest airport instead of
risking his families safety like that. I do feel sorry for the guy
to but not much.

kontiki wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

I feel sorry for the guy, but, man, there's really no excuse for what
he did.


True enough. At the very least he should have sought the opinion of
an experienced pilot familiar with the 210 as to the feasability
and safety of such a take off.

How would that have helped him not hit a truck and ambulance? That was
just plain stupidity, nothing to do with the inherent danger of making a
takeoff from that road. Not asking to have the emergency vehicles
moved was simply stupid.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
How would that have helped him not hit a truck and ambulance? That was
just plain stupidity, nothing to do with the inherent danger of making a
takeoff from that road. Not asking to have the emergency vehicles
moved was simply stupid.

I agree... but you are making my point. I never said that that taking off
from a road was inherently dangerous, although most roads (other than
interstate highways) typically can have obstacles (i.e. light poles, etc.)
to be concerned with that make steering the plane down the center especially
important.... less room for error than your typical runway.

My point was that he was obviously incapable of making a proper judgement
about that so perhaps someone more experienced would have unsisted on
clearing out all the vehicles before attempting the take off, I certainly
would have.

kontiki wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

How would that have helped him not hit a truck and ambulance? That
was just plain stupidity, nothing to do with the inherent danger of
making a takeoff from that road. Not asking to have the emergency
vehicles moved was simply stupid.


I agree... but you are making my point. I never said that that taking off
from a road was inherently dangerous, although most roads (other than
interstate highways) typically can have obstacles (i.e. light poles, etc.)
to be concerned with that make steering the plane down the center
especially
important.... less room for error than your typical runway.

My point was that he was obviously incapable of making a proper judgement
about that so perhaps someone more experienced would have unsisted on
clearing out all the vehicles before attempting the take off, I certainly
would have.

My point is that asking a more experienced pilot for advice wasn't
required as the advice he needed had nothing to do with flying and had
more to do with simply having a brain. My guess most of the bystanders
could have told him that he should have the vehicles moved. This isn't
aviation, this is simply physics. The wings were too long for the space
apparently availabe. I say apparently because looking at the video it
wasn't obvious to me that he was as far to the left as he could have
been. Another two feet probably would have made the difference. This
guy obviously doesn't have the IQ to be flying.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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kontiki wrote:
My point was that he was obviously incapable of making a proper judgement
about that so perhaps someone more experienced would have unsisted on
clearing out all the vehicles before attempting the take off, I certainly
would have.

My point is that asking a more experienced pilot for advice wasn't
required as the advice he needed had nothing to do with flying and had
more to do with simply having a brain. My guess most of the bystanders
could have told him that he should have the vehicles moved.

In fact, they say they did try to tell him--they waved for him to wait when
they saw him start the engine.

--Gary

kontiki wrote:

My point was that he was obviously incapable of making a proper judgement
about that so perhaps someone more experienced would have unsisted on
clearing out all the vehicles before attempting the take off, I certainly
would have.

How many brain cells are needed to ensure that your take-off path is
clear of obstructions?

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote

How many brain cells are needed to ensure that your take-off path is
clear of obstructions?

One more than you need to keep from running out of gas. Does that answer
you question?

The person in this incident obviously had a couple fewer g
--
Jim in NC

"kontiki" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

I feel sorry for the guy, but, man, there's really no excuse for what
he did.

True enough. At the very least he should have sought the opinion of
an experienced pilot familiar with the 210 as to the feasability
and safety of such a take off.

As a relatively low time pilot he probably should have paid an experienced
commercial pilot to fly it out to the nearest airport instead of
risking his families safety like that.

What indication is there that he's a low time pilot? It's possible, but
according to the FAA database he's had an instrument rating for at least ten
years.

--Gary