ATC visit questions?? (Operation rain check)

Jose wrote:
We do regular ATC tours here in Dayton, OH and all noncitizens are
barred from attending, including the chief flight instructor who
organizes the tour.


Are noncitizens barred from =working= at ATC?

All controllers are citizens.

Newps wrote:
We do regular ATC tours here in Dayton, OH and all noncitizens are
barred from attending, including the chief flight instructor who
organizes the tour.
Are noncitizens barred from =working= at ATC?
All controllers are citizens.

the funny thing though is that the soldiers or national
guards who sometimes guard these sensitive installations
and airports, in full battle gear, armed to the teeth,
do not have to be citizen...

--Sylvain

A very valid point Slyvain!,
Maybe if we could get more of the left wing radicals to serve their
country we would not have to depend on foreign folks defending it? It's sad
that it happens, and it does. Most governements have no worry at all about
someone from another country fighting for them. I guess it goes to " let
some other sucker die for my country why should I" mentality.
And a local CFI was not allowed to tour the tower at TRI either, not a
citizen. Yep he could enlist in our military , as he probably could in about
any countries military.

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Sylvain" wrote in message
...
Newps wrote:
We do regular ATC tours here in Dayton, OH and all noncitizens are
barred from attending, including the chief flight instructor who
organizes the tour.
Are noncitizens barred from =working= at ATC?
All controllers are citizens.

the funny thing though is that the soldiers or national
guards who sometimes guard these sensitive installations
and airports, in full battle gear, armed to the teeth,
do not have to be citizen...

--Sylvain

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:11:15 -0400, "W P Dixon"
wrote:

Maybe if we could get more of the left wing radicals to serve their
country we would not have to depend on foreign folks defending it? It's sad
that it happens, and it does. Most governements have no worry at all about
someone from another country fighting for them. I guess it goes to " let
some other sucker die for my country why should I" mentality.

The U.S. generally has taken the position that citizenship can be
earned, and what better way to earn it than to served in the armed
forces? At one time indeed, in order to attract more foreign-language
specialists into the army, while at the same time providing a haven
for Iron Curtain escapees, you could join the U.S. Army for five years
and at the end of your service, assuming you'd behaved yourself and
mastered the (very minimal) knowledge requirement, get your
citizenship along with the discharge papers. They were called "Lodge
Act enlistees." I served with a bunch of them in Special Warfare at
Fort Bragg, both in PsyWar and in Special Forces.

At that time, too, Puero Ricans made up a disproportionate number of
NCOs in the army. I suspect that Mexicans provide that filler today.

Then there was the case of the German merchant sailor who thought New
York looked pretty, so he jumped ship, got a job, driver's license,
registered for the draft ... oops! got drafted, was stationed in
Germany. Somehow the word got out, and the State Dept had to issue him
a passport so he could come home (i.e., to New York).

I think it's pretty neat.



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Montblack wrote:
("Steven P. McNicoll" wrote)

How does one look American?

Look like an out of work roofer.

In the south? Hardly...

You are describing our own politicians. Very few have children in the
military, and even fewer have served in prior wars. Their attitude is
"let the average American die for my country, and for my mistakes". No
wonder the same attitude prevails among the public as well.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"buttman" wrote in message
ups.com...

I visited Columbus Tower/TRACON last spring and they never asked us for
any citizenship papers. We all looked american so they ptobably didn't
care.


How does one look American?

More than 20 pounds overweight in shorts and a Hawaiian shirt is a
surer sign than a passport for me.

-cwk.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
You are describing our own politicians. Very few have children in the
military, and even fewer have served in prior wars. Their attitude is
"let the average American die for my country, and for my mistakes". No
wonder the same attitude prevails among the public as well.

There is some truth to that but there's also a lot of misrepresentation
going on out there. To put things in perspective, the military is 69%
white and 17% black, according to a report commissioned by NY
congressman Chuack Rangel. According to the latest DoD report on Iraq
war casualties it shows whites accounting for 73.82% of deaths versus
10.65% for blacks.

The reason for this is that blacks are more represented in support
roles where they can learn trade skills useful for a civilian life.
Whites meanwhile are more likely to be looking for adventure and
volunteer specifically for front-line combat units like the 3ID, 82nd
and 101st Airborne, Rangers, or the USMC. It's also important to point
out that the Army, which is taking the lion's share of casualties, has
a significantly higher % of minority servicemen than the USN or USAF.

So there's a lot of things you ca call this war but racist ain't one of
them.

Dan,
In the Marines the group tended to be Central Americans more than
anything. Even knew a few Jamacians!

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Cub Driver" usenet AT danford DOT net wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:11:15 -0400, "W P Dixon"
wrote:

Maybe if we could get more of the left wing radicals to serve their
country we would not have to depend on foreign folks defending it? It's
sad
that it happens, and it does. Most governements have no worry at all about
someone from another country fighting for them. I guess it goes to " let
some other sucker die for my country why should I" mentality.

The U.S. generally has taken the position that citizenship can be
earned, and what better way to earn it than to served in the armed
forces? At one time indeed, in order to attract more foreign-language
specialists into the army, while at the same time providing a haven
for Iron Curtain escapees, you could join the U.S. Army for five years
and at the end of your service, assuming you'd behaved yourself and
mastered the (very minimal) knowledge requirement, get your
citizenship along with the discharge papers. They were called "Lodge
Act enlistees." I served with a bunch of them in Special Warfare at
Fort Bragg, both in PsyWar and in Special Forces.

At that time, too, Puero Ricans made up a disproportionate number of
NCOs in the army. I suspect that Mexicans provide that filler today.

Then there was the case of the German merchant sailor who thought New
York looked pretty, so he jumped ship, got a job, driver's license,
registered for the draft ... oops! got drafted, was stationed in
Germany. Somehow the word got out, and the State Dept had to issue him
a passport so he could come home (i.e., to New York).

I think it's pretty neat.



-- all the best, Dan Ford

email: usenet AT danford DOT net

Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
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