More on Cessna's new "Cirrus Killer"

Here's some more on the subject:

According to the SR22 POH, the airplane is not approved for spins, and the
only method of spin recovery is activating the CAPS. If the airplane departs
controlled flight, the CAPS must be deployed immediately. Spin entry is
unlikely with proper airmanship, including the caveat never to abuse "the
flight controls with accelerated inputs close to the stall." An abrupt wing
drop in this case may lead to a spin or spiral, and it may be difficult to
determine which. The POH notes that the minimum demonstrated altitude loss
for a CAPS deployment is 920 feet from a one-turn spin, and pilots are
cautioned not to "waste time and altitude trying to recover from a
spiral/spin before activating CAPS."


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Not having the BRS must make selling a Columbia against a Cirrus a
tough proposition I'll bet. I don't feel any safer flying in a Cirrus
because of the chute, but like a previous poster said it's probably
more for the (non-pilot) passengers' comfort

wrote:

I don't feel any safer flying in a Cirrus
because of the chute, but like a previous poster said it's probably
more for the (non-pilot) passengers' comfort

I have lost friends in a midair. Had they had a BRS, then they would
most probably still live.

Stefan

"most probably"...

If the collision had taken place on the wing or anywhere other than the
fuselage, then maybe. But a direct hit to where the pilot was sitting,
no parachute could have helped any.

The chances of surviving a mid air is just about the same as the
chances to survive a car accident. Except most cars have re-inforced
steel girders, crumple zones, airbags, etc. An airplane is just a piece
of flimsy light-weight alumnium.

On 11 Nov 2005 17:02:48 -0800, "buttman" wrote:



The chances of surviving a mid air is just about the same as the
chances to survive a car accident.

All right, we have a new winner for most ridiculous statistic of the
year...

Michael

If a car going 120 MPH hits another car going 120 MPH, you're dead. Two
planes going the same speed hitting each other is no diffrent,
parachute or not.

"buttman" wrote in message
oups.com...

If a car going 120 MPH hits another car going 120 MPH, you're dead. Two
planes going the same speed hitting each other is no diffrent,
parachute or not.


Pilots of combat aircraft have survived midairs at much higher speeds than
that.

On 11 Nov 2005 18:27:09 -0800, "buttman" wrote:

If a car going 120 MPH hits another car going 120 MPH, you're dead. Two
planes going the same speed hitting each other is no diffrent,
parachute or not.


No argument there, however, your original statement was "The chances
of surviving a mid air is just about the same as the chances to
survive a car accident." Nothing in there about going 120 miles an
hour.

Michael

buttman wrote:

"most probably"...

Yes, most probably. Still much better than no chance, in my opinion.

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote
wrote:

I don't feel any safer flying in a Cirrus
because of the chute, but like a previous poster said it's probably
more for the (non-pilot) passengers' comfort

I have lost friends in a midair. Had they had a BRS, then they would most
probably still live.

That's possible. But unlikely. As I said before, I'm light a few grand and
heavy 35 pounds just to make some passengers happy and I'm not sacrificing
any other safety option in favour of it. (Single button activated autopilot
to the nearest suitable airport / emergency communication with ATC /
autoland isn't available yet.) I don't feel that it's a good cost vs.
benefit measure if safety is the only concern. For the sport pilot, just
spending the same amount on recurring training would likely yield better
accident and survival stats.

moo