CFI in IMC with Student

: I haven't read the regs lately, but do they specifically require
: simulated instrument flight in order to count?

No... you could do all your IFR training in actual conditions. It *does*
require that the dual you get is from a CFII, however. That's not to say you cannot
get dual instruction in IMC from a CFI as the OP suggested... just that it cannot
count it towards the dual required for an IR. Now there's an alphabet soup...

-Cory


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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:37:52 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

: I haven't read the regs lately, but do they specifically require
: simulated instrument flight in order to count?

No... you could do all your IFR training in actual conditions. It *does*
require that the dual you get is from a CFII, however. That's not to say you cannot
get dual instruction in IMC from a CFI as the OP suggested... just that it cannot
count it towards the dual required for an IR. Now there's an alphabet soup...

I don't think we're taking about an *instrument* student. Isn't this
subthread talking about whether IMC encountered whilst a primary
student (flying with a CFI, not CFII) could be countable towards the 3
hours required in 61.109(3)?

And 61.109(3) doesn't say whether the time has to be simulated or
actual, it just says "solely by reference to instruments".

wrote:
: I haven't read the regs lately, but do they specifically require
: simulated instrument flight in order to count?

No... you could do all your IFR training in actual conditions. It *does*
require that the dual you get is from a CFII, however. That's not to say you cannot
get dual instruction in IMC from a CFI as the OP suggested... just that it cannot
count it towards the dual required for an IR. Now there's an alphabet soup...

Ok, for some reason I was thinking this was the few hours of instrument
training needed for the private.

Matt

Having a CFII provides 3 additional priv over a regular CFI

1) Ability to provide the 15 hours dual required for an instrument
rating
2) Ability to provide IPCs
3) Ability to provide type rating training not limited to VFR.

Other than that, everything else is just a CFI. I try to take my
private students in IMC at least once. It provides two things 1)
Understanding of what its really like and 2) Better, more realistic,
discussions on outs.

-Robert