Trial by newspaper

Andrew;
No one knows which post you are answering if you don't reference in some
way.
In this case, you're either nailing me with this, or the initial post.
Dudley Henriques


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.

On 12/14/2005 07:55, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Andrew;
No one knows which post you are answering if you don't reference in some
way.
In this case, you're either nailing me with this, or the initial post.
Dudley Henriques

Andrew was responding to Paul, which is clearly visible when viewing
the thread. If you aren't using a news reader which supports viewing
threads, perhaps you should switch. There are lots of free ones that
do a fine job.



"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.





--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

I'm using Outlook Express 6.0 and every thread on every newsgroup I'm using
is showing normally, including your post which shows a pickup reference
properly.
Andrew's post shows up with a blank screen and a single sentence with no
pickup reference.
If you are seeing a pickup reference, the problem might be somewhere other
than my news reader.
There is one anomaly however. The OP has cross posted to "owning" as well as
"piloting". I'm answering to "piloting" only, and have defaulted through
"owning" as the other group won't rectify. Perhaps that is the issue.
Dudley Henriques

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
On 12/14/2005 07:55, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Andrew;
No one knows which post you are answering if you don't reference in some
way.
In this case, you're either nailing me with this, or the initial post.
Dudley Henriques

Andrew was responding to Paul, which is clearly visible when viewing
the thread. If you aren't using a news reader which supports viewing
threads, perhaps you should switch. There are lots of free ones that
do a fine job.



"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.





--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

On 12/14/2005 08:13, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I'm using Outlook Express 6.0 and every thread on every newsgroup I'm using
is showing normally, including your post which shows a pickup reference
properly.
Andrew's post shows up with a blank screen and a single sentence with no
pickup reference.
If you are seeing a pickup reference, the problem might be somewhere other
than my news reader.
There is one anomaly however. The OP has cross posted to "owning" as well as
"piloting". I'm answering to "piloting" only, and have defaulted through
"owning" as the other group won't rectify. Perhaps that is the issue.
Dudley Henriques

Strange. I'm looking at the thread posted to both owning and piloting, and
in both cases, the entire thread is there. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.5 on a
Windows platform (Windows/2000 Professional).


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
On 12/14/2005 08:13, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I'm using Outlook Express 6.0 and every thread on every newsgroup I'm
using is showing normally, including your post which shows a pickup
reference properly.
Andrew's post shows up with a blank screen and a single sentence with no
pickup reference.
If you are seeing a pickup reference, the problem might be somewhere
other than my news reader.
There is one anomaly however. The OP has cross posted to "owning" as well
as "piloting". I'm answering to "piloting" only, and have defaulted
through "owning" as the other group won't rectify. Perhaps that is the
issue.
Dudley Henriques

Strange. I'm looking at the thread posted to both owning and piloting, and
in both cases, the entire thread is there. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.5 on a
Windows platform (Windows/2000 Professional).


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

No biggie for sure :-), but when I hit reply on Andrew's message, the
reference shows normally as below;

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.

but when simply pulled up in the thread, just the sentence.

Interesting!! Just one of those unexplained mysteries that must drive Bill
Gates nuts from time to time :-)))
Dudley

"Dudley Henriques" writes:
No biggie for sure :-), but when I hit reply on Andrew's message, the
reference shows normally as below;

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.

but when simply pulled up in the thread, just the sentence.

Interesting!! Just one of those unexplained mysteries that must drive Bill
Gates nuts from time to time :-)))

Ahhh. I think the issue is that you have two different definitions of
"thread".

In my newsreader (and in most threaded newsreaders), you can see who
replied to each message by the layout of the messages in the summary
view. So in this thread, my summary view looks like this:

R [ 9: Paul kgyy ] Trial by newspaper
R [ 35: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 3: Andrew Sarangan ]
R [ 14: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 27: Mark Hansen ]
R [ 43: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 22: Mark Hansen ]
R [ 42: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 16: Montblack ]

See how you can tell from the indentation that Paul sent a message,
then Dudley and Andrew replied to it, then Dudley repsonded to
Andrew's message, etc. Your posting software will put a "references"
header in your posting so that other newsreaders can figure out this
threading.

In addition to seeing these "threads", some of the posters choose to
quote from earlier messages, as I have quoted from Dudley's message
above. I think this quoting is what Dudley is calling a "thread".

Dudley: from your description, it sounds like Outlook either does not
have threading, or you do not have that feature enabled.

In any case, on usenet it is often considered polite to quote from
previous messages to give some context. The main reason for this has
nothing to do with the fact that some of us use non-threaded
newsreaders---instead, it is because it takes time for messages to be
sent between computers. Depending on where you are reading from, the
messages in a newsgroup may arrive in a different order. Without a
little quote to put a message in context, this can cause confusion.

Chris
--
Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

"Chris Colohan" wrote

In any case, on usenet it is often considered polite to quote from
previous messages to give some context. The main reason for this has
nothing to do with the fact that some of us use non-threaded
newsreaders---instead, it is because it takes time for messages to be
sent between computers. Depending on where you are reading from, the
messages in a newsgroup may arrive in a different order. Without a
little quote to put a message in context, this can cause confusion.

I totally agree, about quoting some of the text, and when it makes sense,
the author- as I did in this reply. It really is not hard.

The only reason I do not sometimes quote the most recent author to which I
am replying, is when I want to quote two authors, or two posts back, then I
leave out both of the authors. I think it reduces the chances that someone
will think that you are attributing someone else's words to them.

In my case, (with OE) it is unsure for me to determine who someone is
responding to, because I keep a hefty kill-file. I just do not want to
waste my time reading some nutcases.

In that case, the kill-filed person does not show up in the thread headers
at all, and it almost looks like it is a response to someone earlier in the
thread.

So for many reason, it stands that it is polite to quote some of the person
that you are responding to. It is just as bad to quote all of the post,
along with several other's posts before that.
--
Jim in NC

It's nice to have the quotes, but if the reply is something I'm
interested in and it's missing a quote, I'll manually go back and look
at the thread to see what it's replying to. Very often a reply stands
(or falls) on its own, and I'll just let it.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

When Andrew's post came across at 9:49 it was one line only with no
attached threads.

I use Netscape 7.2 on W-2000.


-------------
Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


Mark Hansen wrote:
On 12/14/2005 08:13, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I'm using Outlook Express 6.0 and every thread on every newsgroup I'm
using is showing normally, including your post which shows a pickup
reference properly.
Andrew's post shows up with a blank screen and a single sentence with
no pickup reference.
If you are seeing a pickup reference, the problem might be somewhere
other than my news reader.
There is one anomaly however. The OP has cross posted to "owning" as
well as "piloting". I'm answering to "piloting" only, and have
defaulted through "owning" as the other group won't rectify. Perhaps
that is the issue.
Dudley Henriques


Strange. I'm looking at the thread posted to both owning and piloting, and
in both cases, the entire thread is there. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.5 on a
Windows platform (Windows/2000 Professional).

Ross Richardson wrote:
When Andrew's post came across at 9:49 it was one line only with no
attached threads.

That's interesting. Andrew's post is timestamped 10:49 on my machine (EDST). The
post to which he replied is stamped 9:52. W-2000, Mozilla.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.