Under the heading of Truly Weird

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:29:16 +0100, "Chris"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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A lot of pilots are in that position too so why beat up on journalists?


Pilots do not hold themselves out as sources of accurate information
as a vocation; journalists do.

No No No Noooo. Journalist write stories that sell papers advertising spots
etc. Its a bit naive to think they are about telling the truth. Besides what
truth? There is not the time to properly research anything.

Well, I'm old enough to remember Edward R. Morrow. He attempted to
provide accurate, in-depth information.

There has always been Yellow Journalism*, but those who indulge in it
ultimately find themselves ostracized by their peers.

How many stories have you come across where you have the inside knowledge
and how many times do you say that's not quite right. I bets its near 100%.

The accuracy of the reporting seems to be a function of the
respectability of the particular journal/newspaper/newscast.

* http://alt.tnt.tv/movies/tntoriginal...jour.home.html

The Sensational Beginnings of Yellow Journalism
In 1898, newspapers provided the major source of news in America.
At this time, it was common practice for a newspaper to report the
editor's interpretation of the news rather than objective
journalism. If the information reported was inaccurate or biased,
the American public had little means for verification. With this
sort of influence, the newspapers wielded much political power. In
order to increase circulation, the publishers of these papers
often exploited their position by sponsoring a flamboyant and
irresponsible approach to news reporting that became known as
"yellow journalism." Though the term was originally coined to
describe the journalistic practices of Joseph Pulitzer, William
Randolph Hearst proved himself worthy of the title. Today, it is
his name that is synonymous with "yellow journalism."

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
I really wish they'd run the text of articles like this past their helicopter
pilot to see if it makes sense, aviation-wise, *before* they air it. It's
obvious they're clueless about flying.

Believe it or not the guy who wrote the AZCentral article posted by
Michael, Thomas Ropp, is generally pretty fair and accurate when it
comes to aviation related reporting. He covers the Scottsdale Airport
beat for the Arizona Republic. I understand from friends at an FBO at
SDL that he's had some flight training, although I don't see him in the
FAA database (Thomas Ropp could be a Pseudonym).

I guess I should send him an email sometime and thank him for all the
times he DIDN'T say that "witnesses heard the airplane stall and then
it fell from the sky." I did send him an angry email once regarding an
article about Scottsdale airport neighbors complaining about helicopter
noise. The article was very accurate and unbiased, but it was
accompanied by a "photo-illustration" of a Robinson R-22 that had been
Photo-Shopped into a residential street scene. It appeared as though
the helicopter was flying down a residential street 30 feet above the
driveways. The next day, the editorial section of the paper contained
the original R-22 photo, which had been taken of the helicopter about
30 feet over the ramp at SDL with the tower in the background. Never
got a reply from him, but I'll bet the accompanying photo was not his
work anyway.

-R

Larry Dighera wrote:

Why would enforcement of the state law be affected by the FAA's
investigation of possible federal violations? Is it a case of who has
jurisdiction?

In many cases, the State will not bother prosecuting if the Federal government
intends to. Saves them money. This was frequently the case in Georgia when I
lived there.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Witnesses got the license number of the pickup the father and son used to
transport him home, the Casa Grande police did a registration check and
notified the local (Paradise Valley) police who met them there.


"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
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More info he

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...necrash25.html

Surgeon in trouble for removing son's body from plane crash

Police found debris of craft - no body

Thomas Ropp
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 25, 2005 12:00 AM

SNIP
Case Grande police got the identifying N-number off the plane tail and
located a Paradise Valley address.

SNIP
Walker said that the victim had neither a pilot's license nor a valid
student pilot's certificate and that the plane, a 1961 Nord owned by
the Lundells, was not registered.



If the aircraft wasn't registered how did they tie it to a Paradise Valley
address?

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

If the aircraft wasn't registered how did they tie it to a Paradise Valley
address?

Not registered in AZ. Despite the opinion of local authorities, AZ is
not the world.


Jack

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

I understand that but they did it fast enough to get the police to the house
before the father arrived there with the son. So while they might well have
gotten the address of the owners home from people at the airport I doubt the
N-number had anything to do with it.

You never heard the old saying, "You can outrun a Ford but you can't
outrun a Motorola?" This ain't rocket science.

It would take a matter of seconds to call in the N-number, look it up on
the FAA or other websites, and dispatch a car in the area to the residence.

Anyway, since the Doc was bringing the trophy home to the folks, he
probably stopped first at the local car-wash to hose it off.

And, if you might understandably refuse to be flippant about such a
tragedy, that's understandable -- but at least keep in mind that people
often do some very weird stuff when they are in shock.


Jack

Larry Dighera wrote:

Well, I'm old enough to remember Edward R. Morrow. He attempted to
provide accurate, in-depth information.

There has always been Yellow Journalism*, but those who indulge in it
ultimately find themselves ostracized by their peers.

But it's all relative. The level of their peers declines as well.

Have you noticed how many celebrity trash magazines there are at the
checkout counter these days, all with the same cover story?


Jack

"Jack" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

I understand that but they did it fast enough to get the police to the
house before the father arrived there with the son. So while they might
well have gotten the address of the owners home from people at the
airport I doubt the N-number had anything to do with it.

You never heard the old saying, "You can outrun a Ford but you can't
outrun a Motorola?" This ain't rocket science.

It would take a matter of seconds to call in the N-number, look it up on
the FAA or other websites, and dispatch a car in the area to the
residence.

Anyway, since the Doc was bringing the trophy home to the folks, he
probably stopped first at the local car-wash to hose it off.

And, if you might understandably refuse to be flippant about such a
tragedy, that's understandable -- but at least keep in mind that people
often do some very weird stuff when they are in shock.


Jack

Jack since you are responding to a thread that is several months old and you
chose not to post what I was responding to the entire point of the sub
thread was that the plane WAS NOT registered with the FAA.

My complaint was not with the timeline only the way the story was written.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

My complaint was not with the timeline only the way the story was written.

What do you expect from a guy who's a month or more behind? I promise
I'll catch up so that I can be offensive in a more up-to-date manner.


Jack

Hugo Rannou wrote:

Conard, chit

That's very rude, Hugo.

Now go stand in the corner, or I'll report you to the DGSE.

C'est "bye-bye".



Jack