Go-around - my first sighting

Scott Draper wrote:
Hope the Cap'n doesn't lose his job,

He's not going to lose his job over a go-around.


But it might strain things. I've heard that on go-around can eat up the
profit from a flight.

Several of reason to go-around:

=Ordered to by ATC

=Unsafe landing configuration

=Airport landing conditions out of limits


$$$ NEVER is consideration in the Go-ARound equation. Any Captain that
uses the $$ as criteria for a Go-Around should not be flying/



Stubby wrote:
Scott Draper wrote:
Hope the Cap'n doesn't lose his job,

He's not going to lose his job over a go-around.


But it might strain things. I've heard that on go-around can eat up the
profit from a flight.

"lynn" wrote in message
$$$ NEVER is consideration in the Go-ARound equation. Any Captain that
uses the $$ as criteria for a Go-Around should not be flying/

Safety is first, BUT, if a captain does not consider efficiency, he won't
have a paycheck for very long. The smart captain spaces himself
appropriately so as to avoid go-arounds without upsetting ATC.

D.

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Capt.Doug wrote:
"lynn" wrote in message
$$$ NEVER is consideration in the Go-ARound equation. Any Captain that
uses the $$ as criteria for a Go-Around should not be flying/

Safety is first, BUT, if a captain does not consider efficiency, he won't
have a paycheck for very long. The smart captain spaces himself
appropriately so as to avoid go-arounds without upsetting ATC.

D.

It may not even be a spacing problem. Consider parallel
approaches to intersecting runways. If someone ends up with a long roll
out on the intersecting runway, the pilot will have to go around
altogether, even if he is #1 for the runway, without any traffc
previously landing in front of him. LAHSO might not be in effect. How
is this field in particular laid out?

BL.
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Capt Doug,

I never in my 17,000 hours with a very profitable Part 121 carrier, had
to explain why I executed a go-around. And yes I did my share of
go-arounds.

You see time off for not executing an ATC direct go-around is just not
worth the "efficiency consideration".

Time off for landing with an unsafe landing configuration is just not
worth the "efficiency consideration".

Time off for landing at an airport in which conditions are out of
limits is just not worth the "efficiency consideration".

"The smart captain spaces himself..."


I bet ATC just loves having you in their traffic pattern.

"lynn" wrote in message Capt Doug,
I never in my 17,000 hours with a very profitable Part 121 carrier, had
to explain why I executed a go-around. And yes I did my share of
go-arounds.
You see time off for not executing an ATC direct go-around is just not
worth the "efficiency consideration".
Time off for landing with an unsafe landing configuration is just not
worth the "efficiency consideration".
Time off for landing at an airport in which conditions are out of
limits is just not worth the "efficiency consideration".
"The smart captain spaces himself..."
I bet ATC just loves having you in their traffic pattern.

Your writing is hard to follow. Are you being condescending or encouraging?

D.

Back when the air carriers first got TCAS, I recall a infamous S.E. US
part 121 carrier going around over the threshold at Hobby 13R because
he got a TCAS WARNING. He explained that it was his company policy to
go-around anytime TCAS alerted. Of course it was clear and a million,
no vehicles or aircraft on the runway. Hobby Tower nor the other pilot
on frequency were NOT impressed with that decision. The TCAS Warning
orginated from a transponder being benched tested in a hangar.

One visual peeky-boo and common sense is worth $$$$.

I recall a infamous S.E. US
part 121 carrier going around over the threshold at Hobby 13R because
he got a TCAS WARNING. He explained that it was his company policy to
go-around anytime TCAS alerted. [...]

One visual peeky-boo and common sense is worth $$$$.

I don't worry about the traffic I see, just the traffic I don't. One
visual peeky-boo won't guarantee that I see the traffic.

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lynn wrote:

Back when the air carriers first got TCAS, I recall a infamous S.E. US
part 121 carrier going around over the threshold at Hobby 13R because
he got a TCAS WARNING. He explained that it was his company policy to
go-around anytime TCAS alerted. Of course it was clear and a million,
no vehicles or aircraft on the runway. Hobby Tower nor the other pilot
on frequency were NOT impressed with that decision. The TCAS Warning
orginated from a transponder being benched tested in a hangar.

I would have gone around too. The problem is not with the pilot
but the procedure. I bet after the many thousand dollar mistake
the airline changed its procedure. In general, procedures are
there for a reason. I fly light a/c. You're probably flying
heavies for a part 121. I'm sure you have one, two or maybe
even three procedures to worry about. I bet I'm preaching
to the choir. ;-) ;-)

Gerald

At 50 feet over the threshold, the runway is clear, and "Cleared to
land" by tower and NO traffic, I would land.

I was the next aircraft to land behind the go-around. I saw the false
TCAS signal to the right of 13R at Hobby approximately where the
hangars were located. Again one peeky-boo confirmed no aircraft
traffic.

Jim Macklin,

It was a three-holer on a revenue flight. This legacy carrier did/does
not fly 1000 miles to Hobby to train crewmembers.

I asked Hobby Tower about the go-around and they said it was a TCAS
alert. I asked about the traffic and Hobby said there was NO TRAFFIC.

Lynn,
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