ADIZ Violation Explained in AOPA Magazine

I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have some
system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented.

Agreed. The question is how intrusive that system ought to be. It
would be simple to subvert anything that's not intrusive. OTOH I've run
into places that want a copy of my driver license, pilot certificate,
medical certificate, logbook, and my SSN before renting.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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I would think that their insurance carrier would expect the FBO to have
some system in place to assure that the people they rent to are legal and
qualified to fly the aircraft that are being rented.

Agreed. The question is how intrusive that system ought to be. It would
be simple to subvert anything that's not intrusive. OTOH I've run into
places that want a copy of my driver license, pilot certificate, medical
certificate, logbook, and my SSN before renting.

Jose

I would think that a copy of your certificates both pilot & medical along
with the log book ought to be OK. Since there isn't a photo on any of those
I can understand getting the DL. But I can see no reason for the SSN.

In article , Gig 601XL Builder wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:

I would think that a copy of your certificates both pilot & medical along
with the log book ought to be OK. Since there isn't a photo on any of those
I can understand getting the DL. But I can see no reason for the SSN.

Well, you see, the *real* reason for the SSN requirement is because the
FBO -- bless their heart -- wants to make sure you would be covered by
disability payments out of the U.S. Social Security system should you
get badly injured in an aviation accident, instead of their insurance
carrier footing the bill.

/VERY tongue-in-cheek

Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

-Dan

Beats me why they'd require the SSN

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For many people
it still does.

Jose
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Jose wrote

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For
many people it still does.

My 1959 pilot certificate doesn't bear my SSN and for some
time after that, they didn't.

Bob Moore

My 1961 license does, and it's because I didn't give them (whoever
made out the certificate) a number so they put my SSN number down.


On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:07 GMT, Bob Moore
wrote:

Jose wrote

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For
many people it still does.

My 1959 pilot certificate doesn't bear my SSN and for some
time after that, they didn't.

Bob Moore

"Jose" wrote in message . ..
Beats me why they'd require the SSN

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For many people it still does.

Jose
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I got mine ticket in '75 and there was the option to have the FAA assign a number or you could use your SSN. I choose to
have them assign me a number and keep my SSN a little more private...

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..

If your FAA certificate has a SSN on the certificate or as
the certificate number, the FAA will purge their files of
all reference to the SSN and issue you new certificates (no
cost to you). See the FAA webpage for details.

On the FAA application, just put "Do Not Use" in the blank
and for a certificate number list "pending" or if you
already have a FAA number, show that. They will combine
numbers on all certificate, such as pilot, mechanic, rigger,
etc.


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Jose wrote:

Until recently the pilot certificate had the SSN on it. For many people
it still does.

For many people it never did.


Jack

Dan Foster wrote:
Beats me why they'd require the SSN, especially since it was never
intended to be a national identification number, and I don't think the
Social Security system is a particular concern of the FBO...

The way it works is that there is nothing that prevents a
business from asking for it, and nothing that compels you
to give it (and nothing that compels the business to do
business with you either); most people are completely
careless with their privacy -- or more scary about any other
information, including information entrusted to them by, say,
customers -- and give any information to whoever asks. My
take, when asked for SSN by someone who has no legitimate
reason to be asking for it (i.e., anyone except the IRS,
employer, bank and unfortunately the DMV) is to put 'DO NOT USE'
as the answer, the worst that can happen is that you might have
to find another place to conduct your business (which is
not as bad as what could happen by giving away the info
carelessly); alternatively, if you feel like it, you could
also give away any number between 987-65-4320 and
987-65-4329 inclusive which are numbers used by the administration
to run tests and guaranteed never to be assigned to anyone...

oh well, here I go again, a pet peeve of mine :-))

--Sylvain