Air Force One Had to Intercept Some Inadvertent Flyers / How?

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:34:48 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in : :

To add insult to murder he was given partial blame for
not seeing and avoiding a military fighter traveling at well over 250 knots
that came up on him from behind.


(Minor correction: the MAC was left-left impact.)

What I find reprehensible is the USAF's attempt to use the
navigational system errors in the lead F-16 as an excuse for it's
pilot's blatant disregard for the lives he decided to endanger by
entering congested Class B and C terminal airspace without benefit of
the required ATC clearance at speeds of ~500 knots clearly in
violation of FAA regulations. The ATP rated Cessna 172 pilot was in a
hard right bank at the time of impact indicating that he was
attempting to avoid the Ninja flight's wingman, but at that speed
apparently there wasn't time enough to see-and-avoid.

It was reported that the USAF found a verbal reprimand appropriate
punishment for flight lead Parker.

In another, earlier civil/military MAC, the NTSB found the glider
pilot at fault despite his having the right of way as provided by
federal regulations.

It would seem our government is a bit biased when it comes to
evaluating itself.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:34:48 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in : :

To add insult to murder he was given partial blame for
not seeing and avoiding a military fighter traveling at well over 250
knots
that came up on him from behind.


(Minor correction: the MAC was left-left impact.)

What I find reprehensible is the USAF's attempt to use the
navigational system errors in the lead F-16 as an excuse for it's
pilot's blatant disregard for the lives he decided to endanger by
entering congested Class B and C terminal airspace without benefit of
the required ATC clearance at speeds of ~500 knots clearly in
violation of FAA regulations. The ATP rated Cessna 172 pilot was in a
hard right bank at the time of impact indicating that he was
attempting to avoid the Ninja flight's wingman, but at that speed
apparently there wasn't time enough to see-and-avoid.

It was reported that the USAF found a verbal reprimand appropriate
punishment for flight lead Parker.

The USAF dropped way down my list after this and a couple of other similar
incidents. Thay are now down with used car salesmen and lawyers. It's one
thing for such an incident to happen but for the USAF to let a murderer off
with a verbal reprimand is beyond belief and inexcusable. .

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:37:38 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in : :

The USAF dropped way down my list after this and a couple of other similar
incidents. Thay are now down with used car salesmen and lawyers.

Our federal government's attitude toward the rights of our people and
morality in general seems to be at a new low. It's very
disappointing.

It's one thing for such an incident to happen but for the USAF to let a murderer off
with a verbal reprimand is beyond belief and inexcusable. .

I heard, that when the widow and her daughter complained to Air Force
personnel, the AF spokesman indicated that the late Cessna pilot's
estate might have to pay millions of dollars for the F-16 that was
destroyed. If true, that would be the ultimate in federal hubris.
I've never heard the outcome of the widow's $10-million law suit.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:34:48 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote in : :

To add insult to murder he was given partial blame for
not seeing and avoiding a military fighter traveling at well over 250
knots
that came up on him from behind.


(Minor correction: the MAC was left-left impact.)

What I find reprehensible is the USAF's attempt to use the
navigational system errors in the lead F-16 as an excuse for it's
pilot's blatant disregard for the lives he decided to endanger by
entering congested Class B and C terminal airspace without benefit of
the required ATC clearance at speeds of ~500 knots clearly in
violation of FAA regulations. The ATP rated Cessna 172 pilot was in a
hard right bank at the time of impact indicating that he was
attempting to avoid the Ninja flight's wingman, but at that speed
apparently there wasn't time enough to see-and-avoid.

It was reported that the USAF found a verbal reprimand appropriate
punishment for flight lead Parker.

Got a source for that?

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:26:27 -0500, "John Doe"
wrote in xOsIf.30314$Dh.842@dukeread04::


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
It was reported that the USAF found a verbal reprimand appropriate
punishment for flight lead Parker.

Got a source for that?

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Lead F-16 pilot cleared in fatal crash over Manatee County

Saturday, March 31, 2001
Associated Press


BRADENTON — The lead F-16 pilot involved in a crash that killed a
civilian pilot was cleared of criminal wrongdoing Friday and will
retire Saturday.

Air Force officials said the mistakes Lt. Col. Parker made leading
up to the crash over Manatee County deserved only "administrative
action" — a written or verbal reprimand. He will also retain his
officer's pension.

Citing confidentiality laws, Air Force officials would not
elaborate on what form of administrative action was taken. They
also would not say which of the mistakes he made the day of the
crash led to the reprimand, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported
for Saturday editions.

The collision occurred Nov. 16. Jacques Olivier, a flight
instructor from Hernando County, was killed in the crash.

Capt. Greg Kreuder was following Parker on his way from Moody Air
Force Base in Georgia to a bombing range in central Florida.

But navigational problems led the pilots out of their military
flight zone at 480 mph, more than 180 mph faster than federal and
Air Force guidelines allow in airspace below 10,000 feet near
airports.

Olivier died instantly in the crash, his Cessna scattered over a
Bradenton country club. Kreuder ejected and parachuted to safety
before his plane crashed into a wooded area.
...

Although it was Kreuder's F-16 that struck Olivier's single-engine
plane, an Air Force report released earlier this month pointed to
Parker's mistakes made in the minutes before the accident.

The report said Parker, who was responsible for navigating the
jets, gave incorrect instructions to his on-board computer,
leading the F-16s more than seven miles off-course.

The decision regarding Parker was made by Brig. Gen. John Rosa,
commander of Moody Air Force Base in south Georgia, where the F-16
pilots were stationed at the time of the crash. The decision came
about two weeks after Kreuder was cleared in the crash.
...
The former flight instructor's family in Hernando County has filed
a $10 million claim against the federal government for the pilots'
role in ...

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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:26:27 -0500, "John Doe"
wrote in xOsIf.30314$Dh.842@dukeread04::


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
It was reported that the USAF found a verbal reprimand appropriate
punishment for flight lead Parker.

That's not what this article says. "written or verbal reprimand".....


Got a source for that?

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Lead F-16 pilot cleared in fatal crash over Manatee County

Saturday, March 31, 2001
Associated Press


BRADENTON - The lead F-16 pilot involved in a crash that killed a
civilian pilot was cleared of criminal wrongdoing Friday and will
retire Saturday.

Air Force officials said the mistakes Lt. Col. Parker made leading
up to the crash over Manatee County deserved only "administrative
action" - a written or verbal reprimand. He will also retain his
officer's pension.


The fact is the flight lead (who is responsible) was forced to retire after
this accident. I would pretty much bet he was grounded immediately
following the crash and never flew again for the USAF.

Does anyone know how the lawsuit ended up? I couldn't find any articles
other than the initial filing...nothing on a settlement...

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:00:37 -0500, "John Doe"
wrote in CitIf.30526$Dh.7503@dukeread04::

The fact is the flight lead (who is responsible) was forced to retire after
this accident.

According to this news report, Flight Lead Parker was planning to
retire _before_ the mishap. He just followed his original retirement
plan without loss of pay or rank. Military justice? :-)


Saturday, March 31, 2001
Associated Press


BRADENTON — The lead F-16 pilot involved in a crash that killed a
civilian pilot was cleared of criminal wrongdoing Friday and will
retire Saturday.

Air Force officials said the mistakes Lt. Col. Parker [
http://www.af.mil/photos/Nov1997/971371a.html ] made leading up to
the crash over Manatee County deserved only "administrative
action" — a written or verbal reprimand. He will also retain his
officer's pension.

Citing confidentiality laws, Air Force officials would not
elaborate on what form of administrative action was taken. They
also would not say which of the mistakes he made the day of the
crash led to the reprimand, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune reported
for Saturday editions.

The decision regarding Parker was made by Brig. Gen. John Rosa, [
http://www.af.mil/news/biographies/rosa_jw.html ] commander of
Moody Air Force Base in south Georgia, where the F-16 pilots were
stationed at the time of the crash. The decision came about two
weeks after Kreuder was cleared in the crash.

Parker is on leave pending his retirement, which was planned
before the crash. Kreuder is still flying.