Airports/Airspace

wrote in message
oups.com...
Let me put it this way because this is another topic you mentioned. A
BFR. There is no such thing as a BFR. And when I hear other instructors
mention this I make sure I correct them. As a CFI there was a great
deal of time I spent covering the Fundamentals of Instruction (FOI).
One of the things I learned was the Law of Primacy. Here as an
Instructor this means that we should teach the material correctly so
that it has a long lasting effect on the student. 61.56 is called
Flight Review. No go do the right thing research it and read it, where
does it mention Biannual Flight Review. You'll find it doesn't, just
that a flight review must be every 24 calender months.

Cjamairway

A biannual event happens twice a year: We make a biannual visit to the
in-laws: once at Christmas and again in the summer. A biennial event happens
every two years: The school was due for its biennial inspection. (A biennial
plant lasts two years.)

Be careful what you are teaching. If you hold yourself out as an expert you
must know your stuff!

Allen (who knows a little about a lot of things, but not a lot about any one
thing).

Well it isn't simply because the FAA has it on their website.


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net...

"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
...

That's not an "official" FAA publication. It's an example of a guide
written
by a third party. Existence on the FAA's web servers is not a testament
to
it being "official."


What makes an FAA publication "official"?

The challenge was not to find an "official" FAA publication, it was to
find
an FAA "approved" publication. The word "official" does not appear
anywhere
in Cjamairway's message. Publishing on the FAA web site and stamping the
first page with the FAA seal sure looks like FAA approval to me.





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"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote in message
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Well it isn't simply because the FAA has it on their website.


Why not? Why would the FAA have it on their website if they did not approve
of it?

I agree. The tower airports you gotta talk to Roger, the non-towered
ones you just come on in!

wrote:
Lets get to the bottom of this.
I constantly hear people refer to Airports as being class B,C or D
Airports. Any of you who have thorough knowledge and understanding of
Airports will know that there are only two kinds of Airports in all of
our National Airspace System (NAS). There is Towered and Non-Towered
Airports. We have Class A,B,C,D,E and G Airspace. The Airspace overlays
the Airports. Now show me where in the Aeronautical Information Manual
(AIM) or an FAA Approved government publication that mentions a class
B,C,D Airport. You will not find it...

Take the time and choose your words carefully.

Cjamairway


When you are taxiing at Atlanta Hartsfield you are in class B airspace.
FAA definitions aside, whats wrong with calling it a Class B airport?

In fact, the overlying airspace conveys much more information about the
airport than whether it is towered or not.

Atlanta Hartsfield and Muncie, Indiana are both towered airports, but
they are hardly the same thing.

"Jose" wrote in message
. ..
If you want to go stand in line with the people splitting hairs over
"biannual" versus "biennial"...

Actually, that's not a hair, that's a pretty fat rope. Confusing
multplication with division (except in cellular biology) is more in line
with that one.

Sorry, wrong answer. The dictionary definition of "biannual" allows for
both the "half" and "every two" interpretation.

If you want a language that has no such ambiguities, you'll have to abandon
English. Like it or not, there are a number of examples of words that can
be used with two or more entirely different meanings. "Biannual" is one of
them, and in one use it is synonymous with "biennial".

Pete

wrote in message
oups.com...
Let me put it this way because this is another topic you mentioned. A
BFR. There is no such thing as a BFR.

You're just cementing your reputation. And frankly, from here it's not
looking good.

[...] No go do the right thing research it and read it, where
does it mention Biannual Flight Review.

"Biennial".

In any case, just because the phrase "biennial flight review" is no longer
used in the FARs, that does not mean that there is no such thing as a
"biennial flight review". Believe it or not, pilots use vocabulary words
that do not appear in the official FAA documents.

I'm sure your enthusiasm will serve you well, and as a young, newly
certificated flight instructor, I'm sure you impress yourself with your
strict adherence to all things FAR. But mark my words, if you're still
keeping this up twenty years from now, you're gonna be an grumpy, old man.

Pete

wrote:
Let me put it this way because this is another topic you mentioned. A
BFR. There is no such thing as a BFR. And when I hear other instructors
mention this I make sure I correct them. As a CFI there was a great
deal of time I spent covering the Fundamentals of Instruction (FOI).
One of the things I learned was the Law of Primacy. Here as an
Instructor this means that we should teach the material correctly so
that it has a long lasting effect on the student. 61.56 is called
Flight Review. No go do the right thing research it and read it, where
does it mention Biannual Flight Review. You'll find it doesn't, just
that a flight review must be every 24 calender months.

Cjamairway


BFR may not be the term used in the FAR, but who says we have to speak
the same language used in the FAR? Everyone knows what it means.

If you are looking for things to be pedantic about, there are more
useful things you could do in aviation instead of worrying about
terminology.

Steve Foley wrote:
I disagree. If you look at a sectional, you will see many different symbols
representing the various kinds of airports.

The different symbols that come to mind a

Color coded - blue vs magenta.

A solid circle vs an empty circle, indicating paved vs unpaved

With 'nubs' vs without 'nubs', indicating fuel available vs fuel not
available.

Therefore, I submit there are eight different 'kinds' of airports:

Towered, paved, with fuel.
Towered, paved, without fuel.
Towered, unpaved, with fuel.
Towered, unpaved, without fuel.
Non-towered, paved, with fuel.
Non-towered, paved, without fuel.
Non-towered, unpaved, with fuel.
Non-towered, unpaved, without fuel.

Unless you consider lighted vs unlighted, which would make it 16 kinds.

Or maybe open vs closed - making it 32.



Private vs public would make it 64.

Airports with runways longer than 8069ft would make it 128 different
types.

If you consider heliports, gliderports, balloonports, seaplane base
etc.. now you have something like 4096 different types of airports.

Sorry, wrong answer. The dictionary definition of "biannual" allows for
both the "half" and "every two" interpretation.

Then you need a new dictionary. Unlike "flammable" and "inflammable",
the use of "biannual" for "every two years" is incorrect. Perhaps if
enough people persist in mangling the language, it will become accepted
by the general educated populace with that meaning, but until that
happens, it just ain't right.

Jose
(yes, I know of "ain't"'s long history)
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