Shafted by the Transport Canada?

" Well, if you never plan to fly there again, just tell the investigator
the
next time you speak to him that you know you don't owe the fine, that you
aren't going to pay it, and that cleaning up the paperwork is his problem.


In other words, tell 'em to **** off like I said originally... Of course,
you'll need to translate it into Canadian for them... Try this:

"**** off, eh?"

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
The original poster is being accused of violating a Canadian regulation,
so I don't see how a story about a flight between two different
countries, neither of them Canada, is at all relevant.

Follow the thread... "Chris" said "a flight plan must be filed when crossing
an international border"... The original post concerned crossing an
international border... My reply dealt with a personal experience where that
was not always the case...

You get to buy the next round...

Recently, posted:

In case anyone's interested, here's the relevant Canadian regulations.
They claim I busted (4).

Requirement to File a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary

Didn't you have to notify Canadian Customs prior to your arrival? At I
know for a fact that customs keeps records for a *very* long time. It may
not prove that you filed your flight plan, but it might help to support
your claim that you did so.

Regards,

Neil

In a previous article, "Grumman-581" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
The original poster is being accused of violating a Canadian regulation,
so I don't see how a story about a flight between two different
countries, neither of them Canada, is at all relevant.

Follow the thread... "Chris" said "a flight plan must be filed when crossing
an international border"... The original post concerned crossing an
international border... My reply dealt with a personal experience where that
was not always the case...

But the post that Chris was responding to was, like the subject line,
about Canadian regulations.

You get to buy the next round...

You coming to Pickneyville? I might let you collect.

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Several years ago a kid was expelled from a school because he had a
keychain fob in the shape of a gun, about 1 inch in size, no moving
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But you didn't land in Mexico.




Grumman-581 wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message
...

No a flight plan must be filed when crossing an international border.


Not always... Was flying back to Houston from SoCal a few years ago and
landing in El Paso for the night and and to refuel... I was routed well
across the border by ATC and asked them about it... They said that they
controlled the Mexican airspace, so it wouldn't be a problem... I have to
think that if I had needed to make an emergency landing while south of the
border, it defintely would have been a problem since Mexico tends to take a
dim view of us bringing firearms into their country... And, of course, since
I'm a Texan, I *always* have a gun or two in my plane...

Peter R. wrote:
wrote:

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

I would tackle as a customer/vendor relationship.

I like this idea and have found it to work very well in most situations.

Is this AOPA webpage where you 'filed' it? If so do they say it can be
used for cross border flights?

I believe you did plan it, file it and I am willing to believe you
opened it. And, that atc gave you a squawk. What I really think
happened, perhaps, is some guy somewhere, meant to open it, and let it
loose in the system, but got distracted.

Perhaps if you appealed on this basis. It could have bad consequences
for your insurance premiums if you own.

Some times a person can do everything proper and still......I thought it
only happens to me.





wrote:
This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

Thanks,
Bob

Look at the bright side... $250.00 US is only $197.50 Canadian...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

wrote:

This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)

Thanks,
Bob

Jon Kraus wrote:

Look at the bright side... $250.00 Canadian is only $197.50 US...

Jon Kraus
'79 Mooney 201
4443H @ TYQ

wrote:

This morning I received a letter from Transport Canada informing me I
am being fined $250 for not filing a flight plan. I had flown from
Minot, ND to Regina, Canada on July 30, 2005. I had meticulously
planned the flight using the AOPA webpage on the subject (got all the
radio station permits, customs decal, etc.). I am absolutely sure that
I had filed and activated a VFR flight plan for that flight. I had a
squawk code and was getting flight following, but when I landed in
Canada the FSS couldn't find my flight plan to close it. I was
informed of the investigation by a phone call about a month after the
flight. Conveniently for Transport Canada, Minot ATC erases their
tapes after two weeks according to the manager of the Minot FSS. I
submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Great
Lakes Regional FSS as soon as I heard of the investigation in September
2005. As expected, Great Lakes said they don't keep records long
enough to fill my request. BTW, they were terrible to deal with. The
FOIA woman never answers her phone and never returned any of my calls.
The only response from Great Lakes FSS was a letter in February 2006
saying they no longer had records for that time period.

So, basically Canada says I didn't file a flight plan and I don't have
any way of proving that I did. Anybody have any ideas on how to
dispute this or had a similar experience? (AOPA Legal was no help.
Their only suggestion was the FOIA request.)
Thanks,
Bob