LONDON

"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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I'm f---ing happy I don't live in the UK.

One of the big reasons for travelling to the US to fly.

Chris

Carl

Wet????

Big John
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On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:01:21 -0600, "Carl Orton"
wrote:

A few years ago I flew out of Old Sarum Flying Club near Salisbury.
Allegedly the oldest airfield in England in it's original configuration.
Grass over chalk. Farnborough's older but has obviously grown with the
population.

Your US license is good to go; I only had a short time there, so rather than
get checked out for solo, I just went for an hour with an instructor, just
so I could have a UK entry in my logbook. At the time, rental costs for a
'66 172 were like $200/hr US, not counting the instructor. !!!


"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
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Biz trip to London - leaving this weekend. Thinking of doing some flying
there. I'm an American PP-SEL-IA. Suggestions on where to go, etc.?

Thanks!

Paul

That would be wet. A Warrior would typically set you back $250 dual wet.

This flying centre west of London is typical.
http://www.wycombeaircentre.co.uk/

And a 182RG from them is $358 / hr inclusive of taxes.
"Big John" wrote in message
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Carl

Wet????

Big John
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On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:01:21 -0600, "Carl Orton"
wrote:

A few years ago I flew out of Old Sarum Flying Club near Salisbury.
Allegedly the oldest airfield in England in it's original configuration.
Grass over chalk. Farnborough's older but has obviously grown with the
population.

Your US license is good to go; I only had a short time there, so rather
than
get checked out for solo, I just went for an hour with an instructor, just
so I could have a UK entry in my logbook. At the time, rental costs for a
'66 172 were like $200/hr US, not counting the instructor. !!!


"Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message
...
Biz trip to London - leaving this weekend. Thinking of doing some
flying
there. I'm an American PP-SEL-IA. Suggestions on where to go, etc.?

Thanks!

Paul

On 2006-04-01, Chris wrote:
3. Renting a plane will require a checkride from a school and this may take
some time just to get familiar with both the R/T and the airspace limits.

US translation: R/T = radio work

4. Airports in class D airspace are treated as though they are in US class
B. There is no Class E and class C.

On a point of pedantry - if he flies up to Scotland, he'll find Class E
airspace.

5. A FAA IR is of no use in a UK registered aircraft.

This is true to an extent, however you can still use it in class G
airspace - and most of the time, you'll be in class G airspace. Be sure
to use RAS (radar advisory service).

10. R/T procedure is very strict.

In particular, it generally follows the ICAO conventions (it isn't quite
as strict as you make out though - I find most controllers are pretty
relaxed, but then again I'm not flying around London - it may be
different down there - southerners do have a reputation of being
officious and bureaucratic :-) - in fairness, the airspace in the
vicinity of London is incredibly busy - it's pretty much like flying
around SoCal)

Differences that will stand out from the US:
- they expect you to say where you're coming *from* as well as where
you're going to.
- callsigns are abbreviated to first letter and last three letters -
i.e. G-ABCD gets abbreviated to 'golf charlie delta'
- there are services that don't exist in the US - FIS (flight
information service) and RAS (radar advisory service). RIS (radar
information service) is the equivalent of flight following.
- you will hear things that sound odd such as 'Freecall suchandsuch on
123.45' which in the US would be said as 'Radar service terminated,
squawk 1200, for further flight following I suggest call Houston
Approach on 134.45'.
- VFR squawk is 7000.
- Some airfields have 'AFIS' which is sort of like Unicom Plus. It's not
a control tower as such but the AFIS will sequence you into the
circuit and say things like 'land your discretion' (instead of cleared
to land, because they can't actually clear you to do anything).

The best thing to do is to pick up Trevor Thom's R/T book at the local
airfield - it'll tell you everything you need to know.
Also, I suspect you need an FCC radio license. I got one just to be
sure.

12. There is no such thing as a Unicom frequency and there is no common air
to air frequency. Radio contact is with whoever you want, or no one. Just
keep a good look out.

There may be no such thing, but at airfields with no A/G radio people
will use the US non-towered procedure. It might not be pedantically
'right' but people do it anyway (and it's better than following the
official procedure of not saying anything).

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On 2006-04-02, Paul Folbrecht wrote:
I'm f---ing happy I don't live in the UK.

It's not that bad if you live a couple of hundred miles from London (the
airspace is *MUCH* more open up north - at my airfield, it's class G
airspace up to FL245 - and the rental costs are significantly less
once you get away from London) but now you understand why we like taking
our vacation in the US.

--
Dylan Smith, Port St Mary, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de
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Don Byrer wrote:

I presume you are talking about London England, not Ontario...

What's in London, Ontario?

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Don Byrer wrote:

I presume you are talking about London England, not Ontario...

What's in London, Ontario?

--
Peter

Canadians

On a point of pedantry - if he flies up to Scotland, he'll find Class E
airspace.

On a point of pedantry the OP was asking about London not Scotland or the
teeny weenie bit of Teeside or even Belfast where there is Class E.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:27:48 -0400, "Peter R."
wrote:

Don Byrer wrote:

I presume you are talking about London England, not Ontario...

What's in London, Ontario?

The Diamond Aircraft factory

A nice clean medium sized city with friendly people, that's safe to
walk about in at night.

Home of Labatt's beer

Planning another trip up there this summer....this time we FLY.

--Don-Cleveland, OH



Don Byrer
Commercial Pilot / CFI Student
Electronics Technician, RADAR/Data/Comm @ CLE
Amateur Radio KJ5KB

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth; now if I can just land without bending the gear..."
"I know what it sounds like....when doves cry" (Bird Strike 8/29/05)

On 2006-04-03, Chris wrote:

On a point of pedantry - if he flies up to Scotland, he'll find Class E
airspace.

On a point of pedantry the OP was asking about London not Scotland or the
teeny weenie bit of Teeside or even Belfast where there is Class E.

But it is entirely possible that he could fly a light plane from London
to Scotland. It's a bit misleading to tell him that there is no class E
when he could quite conceivably meet some should he decide to take a
couple of days out and fly from London to Wick.

--
Dylan Smith, Port St Mary, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de
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