Checklist for new ship selection

I personally don't have any time in the glider, and I'll take you and
the test pilots at their word. The issue is that in real world
situations it has demonstrated a statistic for killing people. In a
training environment, you have to consider that while you need a glider
that will spin effectively for training purposes, you also need one that
is going to be more forgiving of mistakes. Mistakes are a part of
training. Therefore it's not the glider you want to use.

Gary O'Neill wrote:
You are referring to the the Puchacz,I will be straight ,I am not a fan of
this glider "but " the british Test Pilot school have put this glider
through the the program and found no unusual flight/spin modes. The
conclusion was you must do spin recoveries by the book and no halfway
methods will work.
The consensus from the instructors seems to be that it is a good trainer.
gary

I agree and disagree with you ,I have watched the Puchaczdo do an
aerobatics/handling display and as part of the display a spin was initiated
around a 1000 feet ,the glider seemed to lose the same altitude as several
other 2 seaters but more quickly.
In the real world we are going to eventually fly a model or type of glider
that will require correct control inputs to recover from a spin, it is
better that
there is a model that will give you that training of how to do it correctly.
I have seen posts on RAS suggesting people go find an instructor current
on spinning a Cessna and do spin training simply because so few of the
2 seater designs will spin.
gary
"Gary Emerson" wrote in message
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I personally don't have any time in the glider, and I'll take you and the
test pilots at their word. The issue is that in real world situations it
has demonstrated a statistic for killing people. In a training
environment, you have to consider that while you need a glider that will
spin effectively for training purposes, you also need one that is going to
be more forgiving of mistakes. Mistakes are a part of training. Therefore
it's not the glider you want to use.

Gary O'Neill wrote:
You are referring to the the Puchacz,I will be straight ,I am not a fan
of this glider "but " the british Test Pilot school have put this glider
through the the program and found no unusual flight/spin modes. The
conclusion was you must do spin recoveries by the book and no halfway
methods will work.
The consensus from the instructors seems to be that it is a good trainer.
gary

My point is that there are other ships in existence that spin
effectively so as to allow the teaching of spins and spin recovery that
don't have a reputation of killing people. Anyone can "spin in" if they
screw things up at low altitude. Masak appears to be an example of this
unfortunately. However, if you polled the glider community I don't
think anyone would come forward and say Blaniks, DGs, LSs, Schleichers,
or Schempp gliders have a particular tendency to spin in. This is the
case with the Puchacz and it seems to stand out in this regard.

Gary Emerson wrote:
My point is that there are other ships in existence that spin
effectively so as to allow the teaching of spins and spin recovery that
don't have a reputation of killing people. Anyone can "spin in" if they
screw things up at low altitude. Masak appears to be an example of this
unfortunately. However, if you polled the glider community I don't
think anyone would come forward and say Blaniks, DGs, LSs, Schleichers,
or Schempp gliders have a particular tendency to spin in. This is the
case with the Puchacz and it seems to stand out in this regard.

The Puchacz does have very powerful air brakes and, because it doesn't
drop its nose when they are deployed, the unwary can lose a lot of
airspeed when they are deployed. This is rather like selecting landing
flap in an ASW-20.

This tendency to shed speed when the brakes are deployed is at odds with
a G103 (which speeds up) or and ASK-21 (which shows very little speed
change). I wonder if this is where its 'bad reputation' comes from?


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