Predator crashed

On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:23:50 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Tue, 2 May 2006 00:36:12 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:


"Richard Lamb" wrote

I heard rumor it was shot down...

That's one hell of a good shot, if it really was at 12,000 feet, as it was
reported to be! g

Reminds me about the story about the Fed pouncing on a rancher who'd fired a
rifle at a military fighter that he claimed had been buzzing his cattle. The
fighter pilot denied it, claiming he'd been in straight-and-level flight several
thousand feet up.

Fighter pilot, however, could NOT explain why the rifle bullet's exit hole was
only slightly higher on the left side of the fuselage than the entry hole in the
right....

Ron Wanttaja

turning while shot.
a steep turn would make the situation easily achieved.

Stealth pilot

On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:28:23 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote:


Reminds me about the story about the Fed pouncing on a rancher who'd fired a
rifle at a military fighter that he claimed had been buzzing his cattle. The
fighter pilot denied it, claiming he'd been in straight-and-level flight several
thousand feet up.

Fighter pilot, however, could NOT explain why the rifle bullet's exit hole was
only slightly higher on the left side of the fuselage than the entry hole in the
right....

turning while shot.
a steep turn would make the situation easily achieved.

Certainly...except the pilot was already on record saying he'd been flying
straight-and-level....

Ron Wanttaja

Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:23:50 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Tue, 2 May 2006 00:36:12 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:

"Richard Lamb" wrote

I heard rumor it was shot down...
That's one hell of a good shot, if it really was at 12,000 feet, as it was
reported to be! g
Reminds me about the story about the Fed pouncing on a rancher who'd fired a
rifle at a military fighter that he claimed had been buzzing his cattle. The
fighter pilot denied it, claiming he'd been in straight-and-level flight several
thousand feet up.

Fighter pilot, however, could NOT explain why the rifle bullet's exit hole was
only slightly higher on the left side of the fuselage than the entry hole in the
right....

Ron Wanttaja

turning while shot.
a steep turn would make the situation easily achieved.

Stealth pilot

The pilot said "straight and level." See above.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:
Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:23:50 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Tue, 2 May 2006 00:36:12 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:

"Richard Lamb" wrote

I heard rumor it was shot down...
That's one hell of a good shot, if it really was at 12,000 feet, as it was
reported to be! g
Reminds me about the story about the Fed pouncing on a rancher who'd fired a
rifle at a military fighter that he claimed had been buzzing his cattle. The
fighter pilot denied it, claiming he'd been in straight-and-level flight several
thousand feet up.

Fighter pilot, however, could NOT explain why the rifle bullet's exit hole was
only slightly higher on the left side of the fuselage than the entry hole in the
right....

Ron Wanttaja

turning while shot.
a steep turn would make the situation easily achieved.

Stealth pilot

The pilot said "straight and level." See above.


The pilot said "several thousand feet up", too. See above.

That would be a rather spectacularly good shot on the
part of the rancher.

--

FF

interesting...

The rumor that a UAV was shot down and everybody assumes
it was some hich farmer with a blunderbuss.

A2A, folks....



wrote:

Dan wrote:
Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 01 May 2006 22:23:50 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Tue, 2 May 2006 00:36:12 -0400, "Morgans" wrote:

"Richard Lamb" wrote

I heard rumor it was shot down...
That's one hell of a good shot, if it really was at 12,000 feet, as it was
reported to be! g
Reminds me about the story about the Fed pouncing on a rancher who'd fired a
rifle at a military fighter that he claimed had been buzzing his cattle. The
fighter pilot denied it, claiming he'd been in straight-and-level flight several
thousand feet up.

Fighter pilot, however, could NOT explain why the rifle bullet's exit hole was
only slightly higher on the left side of the fuselage than the entry hole in the
right....

Ron Wanttaja

turning while shot.
a steep turn would make the situation easily achieved.

Stealth pilot

The pilot said "straight and level." See above.


The pilot said "several thousand feet up", too. See above.

That would be a rather spectacularly good shot on the
part of the rancher.

--

FF

Richard Lamb wrote:
interesting...

The rumor that a UAV was shot down and everybody assumes
it was some hich farmer with a blunderbuss.


From AvWeek -

The drone was transitioning from control by its General Atomics pilot
to an automatic flying mode, said Kostelnik, a former commander of the
USAF Armament Center. The drone dropped from 10,000 feet above ground
after a total system failure. An on-board fire or hostile attack are
not immediately suspected.

"It's pretty much destroyed, it's not going to be reparable," Kostelnik
said. CBP Air and Marine already is talking with General Atomics about
a "loaner" Predator.

No one was hurt by the crash in the air or on the ground, Kostelnik
said. A CBP-led team, with representatives from General Atomics, the
National Transportation Safety Board and possibly including the Air
Force, already is investigating the incident, but results won't be
known for several weeks, he said.

"It wasn't the thing going berserk and going away. It had some sort of
massive technical, mechanical failure, who knows," he said.

Richard Riley wrote:

Richard Lamb wrote:
interesting...

The rumor that a UAV was shot down and everybody assumes
it was some hich farmer with a blunderbuss.


From AvWeek -

The drone was transitioning from control by its General Atomics pilot
to an automatic flying mode, said Kostelnik, a former commander of the
USAF Armament Center. The drone dropped from 10,000 feet above ground
after a total system failure. An on-board fire or hostile attack are
not immediately suspected.

"It's pretty much destroyed, it's not going to be reparable," Kostelnik
said. CBP Air and Marine already is talking with General Atomics about
a "loaner" Predator.

No one was hurt by the crash in the air or on the ground, Kostelnik
said. A CBP-led team, with representatives from General Atomics, the
National Transportation Safety Board and possibly including the Air
Force, already is investigating the incident, but results won't be
known for several weeks, he said.

"It wasn't the thing going berserk and going away. It had some sort of
massive technical, mechanical failure, who knows," he said.

Thanks, Richard

Richard

"Richard Lamb" wrote

Thanks, Richard

Richard

*ONE* of you, or the other, really need to consider changing your ID, and/or
sig line. Like going with Richard R, or Richard L, or whatever.

All of the "Richard's" in the "from" line and sig lines are really getting
confusing, and are totally overwhelming me! g

"Who's on first?"
--
Jim in NC

"Richard Riley" wrote in message oups.com...

"It wasn't the thing going berserk and going away. It had some sort of
massive technical, mechanical failure, who knows," he said.


Great to know those things are being used in civilian airspace.

I remember reading about one of the Global Hawk flights when they lost the datalink. The bird was headed out towards
Barstow or Bakersfield, and all they could see was the TV picture coming back. They pressed the shut down button (self
destruct, pop a chute or whatever it does) and it did not respond. Finally they were able to get some yaw control or
similar and they were able to spiral it down and in before it got over a congested area.

".Blueskies." schreef in bericht
. com...

"Richard Riley" wrote in message
oups.com...

"It wasn't the thing going berserk and going away. It had some sort of
massive technical, mechanical failure, who knows," he said.


Great to know those things are being used in civilian airspace.

Define "civilian airspace" ?
I heard of danger zones, restricted zones, and what not,
but never of "civilian" or "military" airspace
KA