NetJets Layoff

"Morgans" wrote in message
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wrote

They make me quit, agreeing that it was my idea. I'm quitting because
my job was eliminated, it was not in any way performance related... And
I agree that I can never work for NetJets again in the future.

The lawyers are going to have a field day with this....

Agreed. There is certainly more here, than what is being told, one way or
the other.

I wouldn't mind a nice fat unlawful termination suit being won in my
favor, would you?

And what do you see as "unlawful termination?" Color? Creed? Age?
Gender? Without an explicit contract saying otherwise, any employer can
terminate any employee and do it **WITHOUT** cause. The only thing I see
that might have been unethical was the horsesh... feathers about signing a
voluntary termination note. That released the employer from any obligation
for paying unemployment benefits. While it may have been unethical, it was
NOT illegal.

I feel bad for Joseph and his fellow former NetJets employees, but the
bottom line is: ===nobody is guaranteed a job===

As sad as it may seem that lots of folks are going to be spending a
long hot summer with no income, and as chicken sh...tuff as it may seem, no
legal beagle is going to make a dime unless they can prove color, creed,
age, or gender was involved.
Ask my wife. Several years ago, she worked for a corporation long
enough to top out, pay wise, in her job code. In January of that year, she
received an award for Employee of the Year. In addition to a fancy
certificate and cash bonus, the company gave her a voucher for a week
vacation at a Florida resort. When we got back from Florida the following
May, she found a letter in her in-box that her services were no longer
required. When she found that another person had been hired to do her former
job at less than half the salary, she went to a lawyer --- a friend we've
known for decades. His response was, "....nobody is guaranteed a job."

I've never worked for NetJets. Someone close to me was.

Honestly, I don't know the legalities where this is involved, and what
the selection criteria was for the layoffs. But I do know that telling
someone 'sign this or you won't get any severance pay' could pretty
easily spawn a legal battle based on duress. The two I know are over
40, so age discrimination could be a factor. One was promoted into a
position then a month or so later that 'position' is eliminated, the
other was relocated from out of state. My reason for posting wasn't to
indicate NetJets did anything illegally.. I'm not that closely involved
in it. I posted it because it sickened me to hear the poor treatment
they (and presumable many others) received.

We are a litigious society, where people can get paid for doing
something stupid... So to say they need to just accept it because 'it
happened to me' would indicate to me your wife probably should have got
a second opinion. ;-)

Casey Wilson wrote:
"Morgans" wrote in message
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wrote

They make me quit, agreeing that it was my idea. I'm quitting because
my job was eliminated, it was not in any way performance related... And
I agree that I can never work for NetJets again in the future.

The lawyers are going to have a field day with this....

Agreed. There is certainly more here, than what is being told, one way or
the other.

I wouldn't mind a nice fat unlawful termination suit being won in my
favor, would you?

And what do you see as "unlawful termination?" Color? Creed? Age?
Gender? Without an explicit contract saying otherwise, any employer can
terminate any employee and do it **WITHOUT** cause. The only thing I see
that might have been unethical was the horsesh... feathers about signing a
voluntary termination note. That released the employer from any obligation
for paying unemployment benefits. While it may have been unethical, it was
NOT illegal.

I feel bad for Joseph and his fellow former NetJets employees, but the
bottom line is: ===nobody is guaranteed a job===

As sad as it may seem that lots of folks are going to be spending a
long hot summer with no income, and as chicken sh...tuff as it may seem, no
legal beagle is going to make a dime unless they can prove color, creed,
age, or gender was involved.
Ask my wife. Several years ago, she worked for a corporation long
enough to top out, pay wise, in her job code. In January of that year, she
received an award for Employee of the Year. In addition to a fancy
certificate and cash bonus, the company gave her a voucher for a week
vacation at a Florida resort. When we got back from Florida the following
May, she found a letter in her in-box that her services were no longer
required. When she found that another person had been hired to do her former
job at less than half the salary, she went to a lawyer --- a friend we've
known for decades. His response was, "....nobody is guaranteed a job."

wrote:

I've never worked for NetJets. Someone close to me was.

Honestly, I don't know the legalities where this is involved, and what
the selection criteria was for the layoffs. But I do know that telling
someone 'sign this or you won't get any severance pay' could pretty
easily spawn a legal battle based on duress. The two I know are over
40, so age discrimination could be a factor. One was promoted into a
position then a month or so later that 'position' is eliminated, the
other was relocated from out of state. My reason for posting wasn't to
indicate NetJets did anything illegally.. I'm not that closely involved
in it. I posted it because it sickened me to hear the poor treatment
they (and presumable many others) received.

You are correct. You don't know the legalities involved.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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wrote:

I've never worked for NetJets. Someone close to me was.

Honestly, I don't know the legalities where this is involved, and what
the selection criteria was for the layoffs. But I do know that telling
someone 'sign this or you won't get any severance pay' could pretty
easily spawn a legal battle based on duress. The two I know are over
40, so age discrimination could be a factor. One was promoted into a
position then a month or so later that 'position' is eliminated, the
other was relocated from out of state. My reason for posting wasn't to
indicate NetJets did anything illegally.. I'm not that closely involved
in it. I posted it because it sickened me to hear the poor treatment
they (and presumable many others) received.

You are correct. You don't know the legalities involved.

Matt

Nor does he understand the real world. Layoffs are a fact of life and age
is NOT a factor. Anyone that does not plan for the eventuality has only
themselves to blame when the hammer falls and they are left with an empty
bag.