Vintage Jet Slams Into Homes Near Air Show

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Using the word crash would miss the sensationalism. Gotta use the word
"slams". Comes from a special journalist's thesauruses.

The journalists around Oregon were calling the guy a hero within an hour of
the crash. Give 'em a break.

I should also point out that, once footage of the crash taken from the
airshow came in, the Channel 8 News cut to their weatherman for comment.
Turns out he's a commercial pilot of 20 years as well, so he went through
the whole Minimum Controllable Airspeed discussion (wings wobbling on
takeoff, increasing angle of attack while descending)...

In this case, the local media did a very good job.

-c

Who was that? Dave Salesky? I saw Ron Petersen's take on it and he
said "weather was perfect...mid-80's, blah blah". I don't think he is a
pilot. He didn't sound like one and, also, mid-80's is not perfect when
considering density altitude as a POTENTIAL factor. I know, HIO is not
high or humid, but it was hotter than standard temperature.

Btw, I had a nice flight to Mulino for blueberry pancakes and then to
Evergreen for one last landing before it closes tomorrow for good.

Chris G.

gatt wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Using the word crash would miss the sensationalism. Gotta use the word
"slams". Comes from a special journalist's thesauruses.

The journalists around Oregon were calling the guy a hero within an hour of
the crash. Give 'em a break.

I should also point out that, once footage of the crash taken from the
airshow came in, the Channel 8 News cut to their weatherman for comment.
Turns out he's a commercial pilot of 20 years as well, so he went through
the whole Minimum Controllable Airspeed discussion (wings wobbling on
takeoff, increasing angle of attack while descending)...

In this case, the local media did a very good job.

-c

"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...
Who was that? Dave Salesky? I saw Ron Petersen's take on it and he
said "weather was perfect...mid-80's, blah blah". I don't think he is a
pilot.

Salesky or Zaffino, I'm pretty sure

He didn't sound like one and, also, mid-80's is not perfect when
considering density altitude as a POTENTIAL factor. I know, HIO is not
high or humid, but it was hotter than standard temperature.

I was pretty worried that it might have been a similar jet out of Troutdale.
He can't launch on hot days because he can barely clear the fence at the end
of the runway. In the Oregon sense of hot, this was one of those days, but
HIO's runway is twice as long.

Btw, I had a nice flight to Mulino for blueberry pancakes and then to
Evergreen for one last landing before it closes tomorrow for good.

I'm just down the road from Evergreen now. Didn't know it was closing.
It's a bad sign when they've mowed the weeds -around- the birds parked
there. I spent yesterday practicing for my commercial checkride.

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

-c

I know Dave Salesky *is* a pilot. He has an Aeronca Champ. A
coworker's husband met him who is a student pilot and he showed off the
plane that day.

Chris G.

gatt wrote:
"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...
Who was that? Dave Salesky? I saw Ron Petersen's take on it and he
said "weather was perfect...mid-80's, blah blah". I don't think he is a
pilot.

Salesky or Zaffino, I'm pretty sure

He didn't sound like one and, also, mid-80's is not perfect when
considering density altitude as a POTENTIAL factor. I know, HIO is not
high or humid, but it was hotter than standard temperature.

I was pretty worried that it might have been a similar jet out of Troutdale.
He can't launch on hot days because he can barely clear the fence at the end
of the runway. In the Oregon sense of hot, this was one of those days, but
HIO's runway is twice as long.

Btw, I had a nice flight to Mulino for blueberry pancakes and then to
Evergreen for one last landing before it closes tomorrow for good.

I'm just down the road from Evergreen now. Didn't know it was closing.
It's a bad sign when they've mowed the weeds -around- the birds parked
there. I spent yesterday practicing for my commercial checkride.

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

-c

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:40:16 GMT, "gatt"
wrote:

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

But they don't set fire to any houses when they go splat.

Is the crash site still identified as NE 58th? That's north of
Baseline, south of Cornell and a little west of 231st, essentially 1.5
miles off the approach end of 30. Just from a noise standpoint, that's
a dumb**** place to site housing.

Don

"Don Tuite" wrote in message
...

Is the crash site still identified as NE 58th? That's north of Baseline,
south of Cornell and a little west of 231st, essentially 1.5
miles off the approach end of 30.

That's accurate. A wider pattern would have likely put him in the Intel
plant.

Just from a noise standpoint, that's a dumb**** place to site housing.

Yeah...but, as my friends in the area like to point out, you get to watch
the airshow from your backyard. :/

-c
(The B-2, B-17, etc, generally flew wider patterns.)

Don Tuite wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:40:16 GMT, "gatt"
wrote:

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

But they don't set fire to any houses when they go splat.

So we should all stop flying because we *might* injure someone else in
the process?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:50:53 -0500, Emily
wrote:

Don Tuite wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:40:16 GMT, "gatt"
wrote:

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

But they don't set fire to any houses when they go splat.

So we should all stop flying because we *might* injure someone else in
the process?

If we want to keep our airports from closing, we might reconsider
doing low-level aerobatics in clapped-out '50s-era warbirds when
encroaching subdivisions underlie the box.

I'd like to hear Dudley's take when he's ready to post.

Don

"Don Tuite" wrote in message
...

If we want to keep our airports from closing, we might reconsider
doing low-level aerobatics in clapped-out '50s-era warbirds when
encroaching subdivisions underlie the box.

Unfortunately, as utterly unsympathetic as I am to people who willingly
build homes under the traffic pattern for the largest runway in the state
next to PDX International, it's already happening:

"Following the crash of a vintage jet at the Oregon International Air Show
on Sunday, the FAA and NTSB will investigate the incident and recommend any
changes that need to be made. Some residents think the area around the
airport is now too residential for the show to continue. "
http://www.katu.com

This reminds me of an incident across town where somebody developed the hill
immediately behind the Camp Withycomb rifle range. All these folks moved
into Oregon (or were dumb enough not to know that the Camp has been there
since WWII), bought these fancy brand new homes and then were Suddenly
Outraged to discover that their home was directly downrange from a military
installation. Talk about not doing your friggin' research. The rifle
range is no longer with us. The air show, at least in Hillsboro, has been
declining due to corporate stupidity for years now. (For example, last time
I went, you couldn't see the flight line from the static exhibits because of
the giant inflatable Chevy Suburban and MGD beer cans, and there was almost
TWO ground accidents because they were herding the warbirds through to make
sure there was time for the Rocket Powered Semi and the Truckasaurus
thingie.)

If the airshow goes, this crash was just one more nail in a nearly-complete
coffin. But still...

-c

Don Tuite wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:50:53 -0500, Emily
wrote:

Don Tuite wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:40:16 GMT, "gatt"
wrote:

For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life. Meanwhile, we've
watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while
they jumped from the bridge and smacked their brains all over the rocks
below. Oregon is at, what, 20 drowning deaths this year since June 1?

But they don't set fire to any houses when they go splat.
So we should all stop flying because we *might* injure someone else in
the process?

If we want to keep our airports from closing, we might reconsider
doing low-level aerobatics in clapped-out '50s-era warbirds when
encroaching subdivisions underlie the box.

Quite a few accidents of newer aircraft in previously straight and level
flight have killed people on the ground. It's just a dangerous line of
thought.