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Old August 3rd 06, 12:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Duniho
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Default Effects of CG on cruise speed

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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I think the aft CG will result in a higher cruise speed because the arm
between the center of lift and CG will be reduced (assuming CL is
behind the CG) and the tail will have to do less work.


I would think the CG that requires the least amount of trim would be the
most efficient. If that is in fact true, the most efficient CG would vary
for different aircraft.


I agree that there's a secondary effect with respect to control surface drag
related to the trim position. However, the primary issues are a) downforce
balancing the CG (presumably forward of the center of lift), which has to be
compensated for in the form of more lift (so more induced drag) and b) the
induced drag from the horizontal stabilizer/elevator itself (adding to the
total induced drag directly). Both of these directly correlate to the CG
position.

The parasitic drag due to trim position is only likely to be significant
when the CG is already relatively far aft and the increase in induced drag
isn't large. So yes, the *exact* place where the least total drag occurs
may not be precisely at the rear-most CG position available, but I suspect
in most cases it is (hopefully airplane designers aren't normally creating
trim systems that require a non-neutral trim position for a neutral elevator
force), and when it's not, it's not going to be far from there.

Pete


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Old August 3rd 06, 06:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default Effects of CG on cruise speed

gman wrote:

I think the aft CG will result in a higher cruise speed because the arm between the center
of lift and CG will be reduced (assuming CL is behind the CG) and the tail will have to do
less work.

Any ideas?



I know that this is off-topic but regarding the dynamics of loads in
flight, CG, loading patterns, etc., there's a really nice 6.3 MB
publication by Airbus that I'd be happy to mail any aviation student if
they wrote in privately.

Cheers,

Ramapriya

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Old August 3rd 06, 06:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Doug[_1_]
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Default Effects of CG on cruise speed

You will go a little faster with rear CG, but in a plane like a
Skyhawk, it will only be a knot or two, at MOST.

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Old August 3rd 06, 12:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
B A R R Y[_1_]
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Default Effects of CG on cruise speed

Peter Duniho wrote:

The parasitic drag due to trim position is only likely to be significant
when the CG is already relatively far aft and the increase in induced drag
isn't large. So yes, the *exact* place where the least total drag occurs
may not be precisely at the rear-most CG position available, but I suspect
in most cases it is (hopefully airplane designers aren't normally creating
trim systems that require a non-neutral trim position for a neutral elevator
force), and when it's not, it's not going to be far from there.


Thanks for the explaination.

For me, it's time to break out the water bottles and experiment across
my particular range.

Thanks to the OP for posting the question!
 




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