BD-18

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Morgans" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "Kyle Boatright" said:
Next, I bet he'll be selling a kit for a single seater that gets 50 mpg,
goes 200 mph, and is fully aerobatic...

Wasn't that the BD-5?

Nah! He never found a motor to work in that one.

Oh, sorry, I thought Kyle said he'll be selling a kit that he *claims*
gets 50mpg, goes 200mph, and is fully aerobatic.

I love the fact that the web site claims that the BD-10 is out of
production because the jet engine used too much fuel, not because it
killed everybody who flew it.


I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
think any still fly. I was told that none ever exceeded 400 KIAS
(without disintegrating) and that was thought to be the true VNE for
the aircraft.

Jim Bede is Exhibit A for the sort of person the civil tort system is
SUPPOSED to keep deterred from doing business. Doesn't work, does it?
He has no liability insurance and all his property is in some other
name. He's judgmentproof. No one will sue him because they won't get
any assets and he probably won't even give you the satisfaction of a
trial-he'll just default, as the judgment isn't worth toilet paper.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
think any still fly.

mercy snip

There's always some schmuck who talks out his ass without any real live
knowledge whatsover. Two BD-10's survive in airworthy condition. One is
owned by Fuel Fresh in Scottsdale, AZ. The other belongs to a museum in
Canada owned by aviation enthusiast David Carlaw, who is in the process of
getting it airworthy after it sat in another Canadian museum for a while.




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Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
think any still fly.

mercy snip

There's always some schmuck who talks out his ass without any real live
knowledge whatsover. Two BD-10's survive in airworthy condition. One is
owned by Fuel Fresh in Scottsdale, AZ. The other belongs to a museum in
Canada owned by aviation enthusiast David Carlaw, who is in the process of
getting it airworthy after it sat in another Canadian museum for a while.


That's why I said "I think".

You are the type expert: tell me, total ever flown, total fatalities,
total writeoffs nonfatal: DEMONSTRATED safe top speed: DEMONSTRATED
range: total kits delivered: total deposits taken: percent of the delta
(payments taken, kits not received) refunded. Also can you tell me
who all is still alive who flew it and their statements as to its
flying qualities?

If you feel as though these are unreasonable questions, please explain
why.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com...

Juan Jimenez wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com...

I believe there are a couple of BD-10 surviving pilots, but I don't
think any still fly.

mercy snip

There's always some schmuck who talks out his ass without any real live
knowledge whatsover. Two BD-10's survive in airworthy condition. One is
owned by Fuel Fresh in Scottsdale, AZ. The other belongs to a museum in
Canada owned by aviation enthusiast David Carlaw, who is in the process
of
getting it airworthy after it sat in another Canadian museum for a while.

That's why I said "I think".

You are the type expert: tell me, total ever flown, total fatalities,
total writeoffs nonfatal: DEMONSTRATED safe top speed: DEMONSTRATED
range: total kits delivered: total deposits taken: percent of the delta
(payments taken, kits not received) refunded. Also can you tell me
who all is still alive who flew it and their statements as to its
flying qualities?

If you feel as though these are unreasonable questions, please explain
why.

First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
why.

Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
**** off all homebuilders.




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Juan Jimenez wrote:
snip

First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
why.

Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
**** off all homebuilders.


Bwah bwah bwah.

I'm essentially right, am I not?

I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.

I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
snip

First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
why.

Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
**** off all homebuilders.


Bwah bwah bwah.

I'm essentially right, am I not?

I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.

I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.

You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
wrong.)

Bob

Did Juan ever get his BD-5 test hopped and flying? Used to be a lot of
yak about the bird but haven't seen anything now for a long time.

Big John
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On 24 Aug 2006 19:23:32 -0700, "BobR"
wrote:


Bret Ludwig wrote:
Juan Jimenez wrote:
snip

First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
why.

Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the BD-10
that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are still
flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission to
**** off all homebuilders.


Bwah bwah bwah.

I'm essentially right, am I not?

I don't know the exact numbers but I know the BD-10 program was a
complete debacle. And I'm reasonably sure no one thinks it can go
transonic without coming apart, which is the key reason it's been
abandoned. If the basic aerodynamics were even in the ballpark, it, or
a similar aircraft, would be being actively pursued.

I have several friends who are homebuilders. They may not like a few
of the things i say but they understand I'm not against homebuilding,
but the errant notions being sold to people by hucksters and pegboy
airplane magazine writers. I suppose if I came out saying Amway was
bogus, you'd say i was against using soap.

You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
wrong.)

BobR wrote:


You really must understand, Jaun has two people he worships, one is Jim
Bede and the other is Jim Campbell. I would almost bet he worships Jim
Jones too. Jaun has never been wrong about anything and if you don't
believe me, ask him. (At least he will never admit that he has been
wrong.)


Jim Bede is actually a technically competent engineer, or was at one
time. But he is also an incorrigible con man, much like L. Ron Hubbard.
If Jim was in a situation where he could only design and build
airplanes and not talk to anyone, not sell, not interact with the
public, and responsible people did the selling once the aircraft was
flight tested and proven to meet all the stated goals, he would
actually be able to do something useful to society. However, he refuses
to work in such a setting. As it is I look forwward to his obit, not
out of personal animosity but because he is only going to result in
more people being fleeced and more worthless half-built piles of
aluminum littering garages. And only embalming fluid will slake this
compulsion.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
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Juan Jimenez wrote:
snip

First you have to convince me why I should waste any more of my valuable
time with you. If you think _that's_ an unreasonable question, do explain
why.

Besides, I said you're the schmuck who claims so much knowledge of the
BD-10
that you think you know how many people who have flown the BD-10 are
still
flying. I didn't say I'm the type expert. There's at least one person who
hangs out here who knows more about the BD-10 than I do. But he probably
won't waste his time with you either, seeing as how you're on a mission
to
**** off all homebuilders.


Bwah bwah bwah.

I'm essentially right, am I not?

No, but if it keeps you out of trouble to think you are, enjoy.




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