Any traffic please advise

Larry Dighera wrote:
I agree with your reasoning, but regulations only instruct the
controller to provide the VFR traffic advisory; they don't require the
controller to be concerned if you see the traffic or not.

It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight. When I
report "negative contact", they'll give me periodic updates until I spot
the traffic; once I do, I get cleared to land.

Not that they mind "looking" instead of "negative contact". But the
latter is still the *correct* call.

.... Alan

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Alan Gerber
gerber AT panix DOT com

Alan Gerber wrote:


It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight.


Wow, talk about making an easy job hard.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:12:20 +0000 (UTC), Alan Gerber
wrote:
It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight. When I
report "negative contact", they'll give me periodic updates until I spot
the traffic; once I do, I get cleared to land.

In the Class-B airspace in which I often fly, a "negative contact",
"looking, no joy", etc will often result in one of you being directed
to change course... Since the other aircraft is quite often on
approach and a commercial airliner, it's *me* that gets to change
course... It also usually gets me routed to BFE (no, I'm not talking
about Terry County Airport (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBFE), but
it's close)... If I'm outside the inner cones of the Class-B airports
here in Houston, I'll probably drop down below 2000 ft and squawk 1200
just so that I can get a more direct routing...

"Alan Gerber" wrote:

It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight.

Really??

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

"Alan Gerber" wrote:

It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight.

Really??

Sure. "Cherokee NNN, number two to land, behind the Cessna on base",
followed by "Cherokee NNN, traffic in sight", gets me "Cherokee NNN,
cleared to land, number two". (With runway number added, of course.)

.... Alan

--
Alan Gerber
gerber AT panix DOT com

"Alan Gerber" wrote:
It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight.

Really??

Sure. "Cherokee NNN, number two to land, behind the Cessna on base",
followed by "Cherokee NNN, traffic in sight", gets me "Cherokee NNN,
cleared to land, number two". (With runway number added, of course.)

Yes, I've had that happen, but I also frequently get cleared to land behind
other traffic in the pattern without reporting it in sight. Don't you?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:
Sure. "Cherokee NNN, number two to land, behind the Cessna on base",
followed by "Cherokee NNN, traffic in sight", gets me "Cherokee NNN,
cleared to land, number two". (With runway number added, of course.)

Yes, I've had that happen, but I also frequently get cleared to land behind
other traffic in the pattern without reporting it in sight. Don't you?

Nope. They always wait for you to have the traffic in sight before
issuing the clearance. I thought that was standard.

.... Alan

--
Alan Gerber
gerber AT panix DOT com

"Alan Gerber" wrote in message
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Nope. They always wait for you to have the traffic in sight before
issuing the clearance. I thought that was standard.


It's not.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:12:20 +0000 (UTC), Alan Gerber
wrote in :

Larry Dighera wrote:
I agree with your reasoning, but regulations only instruct the
controller to provide the VFR traffic advisory; they don't require the
controller to be concerned if you see the traffic or not.

It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight. When I
report "negative contact", they'll give me periodic updates until I spot
the traffic; once I do, I get cleared to land.

Not that they mind "looking" instead of "negative contact". But the
latter is still the *correct* call.

What you say is true, however I was referring to en route VFR radar
traffic advisory service.

The situation you describe on approach is a result of the controller's
necessity to separate IFR traffic which can be either radar separation
or visual separation.

Larry Dighera wrote:
What you say is true, however I was referring to en route VFR radar
traffic advisory service.

Sure. But the conversation in general is about reporting traffic in
sight -- let's try to keep the big picture here.

The situation you describe on approach is a result of the controller's
necessity to separate IFR traffic which can be either radar separation
or visual separation.

Not in this case. This was VFR, in the pattern. No IFR traffic in the
mix. It's being driven by the controller's necessity to sequence the
traffic to the runway. (Let's not get into the other issue of separation
at Class D airports, OK?)

.... Alan

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Alan Gerber
gerber AT panix DOT com