"We're with the FAA"

"Matt Barrow" wrote in news:44f2fc15$0$10309
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Anyone else outside LE?

FAR 61.3 Requirement for certificates, ratings, and authorizations.
l) Inspection of certificate. Each person who holds an airman
certificate, medical certificate, authorization, or license required
by this part must present it and their photo identification as
described in paragraph (a)(2) of this section for inspection upon a
request from:

(1) The Administrator;

(2) An authorized representative of the National Transportation
Safety Board;

(3) Any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer; or

(4) An authorized representative of the Transportation Security
Administration.

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"Michelle P" wrote in message
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If you are part 91 you can politely refuse. Fly away.....
135 and 121 cannot.
Michelle P

LOL! That's funny. Yeah, right. You can always drive away from the police
flagging you down as well at random checkpoint. chuckle



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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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Denny wrote:

As a matter of principle I will not be ramp checked...

You are required to show license and medical to any authority, not just
the FAA.

I'm a bit hung over; what authority outside the FAA might that be? (Yes,
Customs is one).

And law enforcement.



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That too!

"Newps" wrote in message
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Anybody with a gun, for starters.




Matt Barrow wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Denny wrote:


As a matter of principle I will not be ramp checked...

You are required to show license and medical to any authority, not just
the FAA.


I'm a bit hung over; what authority outside the FAA might that be? (Yes,
Customs is one).




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"Denny" wrote in message
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Constitutional... And a lifetime of dealing with governmental
bureaucrats...

A LEO cannot pull you over and demand your license and registration
just because he needs a few more entries in his shift log (not to say
it is not done on a pretext)...

It's called a random checkpoint and yes, he/she most certainly can. You can
choose to think you don't have to stop. Just try.

A bureaucrat who does not have LEO authority does not have greater
authority than that... If he wants to inspect my certificates he can
send a business letter and my attorney will negotiate a time and place,
what will be examined, etc...

And then they will turn around and throw the book at you, and get away with
it. This is similar to a problem the moron in the oval office seems to
have -- not being able to tell the difference between being steadfast and
being pigheaded.




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I've been ramp checked three times. Twice it was just a pleasant exchange of
information. I was actually happy they showed up at one airport because the
place has a history of meatheads pulling stupid stunts.

The third time the person forgot his ID. No ID, no ramp check.

"houstondan" wrote in message
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ok, all that said, given the great caption this thread has; who has
had a ramp check and what was it like????????????



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Vaughn,

That's what a commercial pilot thought when he rented a C-152 from an FBO.
Turns out it was out of annual, and the FAA suspended his certificate for 30
days. They said, "The pilot in command is ultimately responsible for
conducting the flight in accordance with applicable regulations, one of
which prohibits the operation of an aircraft that has not received an annual
inspection within the past 12 months. The expectation that the inspection
had been done is not sufficient to relieve [the pilot] of this
responsibility."

If you're an AOPA member, you can read the story at
http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pi...00/pc0009.html

I agree that it doesn't make sense, but since when has that meant anything
to the FAA?

-Mike

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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"RNR" wrote in message
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On 26 Aug 2006 11:19:28 -0700, "Chad" wrote:
I rent from the
same place (usually) and I know that they adhere to the ispection
requiremnets but I do not know the details. Would they or could they
ground me?

At a certain amount of risk of bing wrong because I don't have the
time to look up the applicable FAR, the short answer is "NO". The
operator of the plane is responsible for that stuff. I have no idea of
the annual date or even the 100-hour status of the planes I fly. I trust
the operator to do a professional job on that stuff, and the operator is
not about to leave the plane's logs out where they can be misplaced.

Now if the inspector finds something that makes the plane obviously
airworthy that the pilot could/should have caught on a preflight...

Vaughn

Vaughn Simon wrote:

At a certain amount of risk of bing wrong because I don't have the time to
look up the applicable FAR, the short answer is "NO". The operator of the plane
is responsible for that stuff. I have no idea of the annual date or even the
100-hour status of the planes I fly. I trust the operator to do a professional
job on that stuff, and the operator is not about to leave the plane's logs out
where they can be misplaced.

When I used to be an "operator" (I owned a plane leased to a flying club), I
kept an up-to-date signed document in the plane attesting to compliance with the
various airworthiness requirements, showing dates and times of required
inspections and the dates when the next action was required to maintain
airworthiness and fitness for IFR flight. The only exception was the 30-day VOR
check, which was explicitly noted as a pilot responsibility.

AFAIK no inspector would care about such a document, but I think the pilots
appreciated having it.

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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And then they will turn around and throw the book at you, and get away
with it. This is similar to a problem the moron in the oval office seems
to have -- not being able to tell the difference between being steadfast
and being pigheaded.


That moron has been kicking the opponents asses for six years.

Do your know the difference between governing by principle and governing by
polls?

ESAD

"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message
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I've been ramp checked three times. Twice it was just a pleasant exchange
of information. I was actually happy they showed up at one airport because
the place has a history of meatheads pulling stupid stunts.

So tell us how a ramp check would put a damper on the "meatheads"?

Ah, yes!, the old, "I have nothing to hide, so I'll drop my pants and spread
my cheeks."

Tyrants love your type!