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Some older ones do, some don't. That's what we found by testing a
variety of gliders at our gliderport. So, I wouldn't suggest resting easy until you've tested your own canopy. Greg Arnold wrote: Do older canopies also protect against UV, or is it only the newer ones? Maybe you could do this test on some of older canopies at your gliderport? Eric Greenwell wrote: I recently bought an Oregon Scientific UV888 Personal UV Monitor (~$30). Among other things, it measures the UV flux and computes the UV Index (UVI), then determines a "safe exposure time" based on your input of skin type and the SPF of the sunscreen you are using. Naturally, I made a measurement in the sun (UVI = 8), then another one inside the cockpit (UVI = 0), indicating the canopy provides quite a bit of protection. Testing other kinds of plastic, like baggies, plastic wrap, Lexan, etc., gave readings from 0 to 7, so not every kind of plastic is protective. Looking at an "erythemal dose rate" chart, you can see almost all (99%) of the dosage in the direct sun occurs below about 330 nm. Since our canopies block UV below about 360-370 nm, they provide essentially complete protection from damaging rays. The fraction of the UVA that comes through will still give you some tanning, and some fabrics will fade slowly, but your skin is protected from the UVB. This is very good news, that the canopy affords even more protection than I first thought. |
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Someone brought one of those UV meters out to the field a month or two
ago, probably the same one you have. As best as I recall, it was reading 12 (extreme) outside. When put under a newish DG800, older DG200, and very old Kestrel, it read 0. Put under a 20 y.o. LS-6 it read 3 or 4, indicating only around 75% was being absorbed (still better than nothing). |
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Someone brought one of those UV meters out to the field a month or two ago, probably the same one you have. As best as I recall, it was reading 12 (extreme) outside. When put under a newish DG800, older DG200, and very old Kestrel, it read 0. Put under a 20 y.o. LS-6 it read 3 or 4, indicating only around 75% was being absorbed (still better than nothing). Very interesting. It's going to be a while before I'm near a collection of gliders, so I hope others will buy or borrow a meter and check the gliders in their club, and report the results. Do you know if the LS-6 had the original factory canopy or a replacement? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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I think it's the factory canopy but I'm not sure.
Eric Greenwell wrote: wrote: Someone brought one of those UV meters out to the field a month or two ago, probably the same one you have. As best as I recall, it was reading 12 (extreme) outside. When put under a newish DG800, older DG200, and very old Kestrel, it read 0. Put under a 20 y.o. LS-6 it read 3 or 4, indicating only around 75% was being absorbed (still better than nothing). Very interesting. It's going to be a while before I'm near a collection of gliders, so I hope others will buy or borrow a meter and check the gliders in their club, and report the results. Do you know if the LS-6 had the original factory canopy or a replacement? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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Are most glider canopies made of approximately the same thickness
material? Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" |
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Are most glider canopies made of approximately the same thickness material? All the ones I've looked seem to be about 0.60". Typical acrylic's cutoff is steep and deep (1% transmission below the cutoff), so even twice the thickness makes little difference. The acrylics designed to pass UV (at least from the Cyro company) have a more gradual "tail". -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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Earlier, Eric Greenwell wrote:
All the ones I've looked seem to be about 0.60"... Now wait a minute, Eric, I think you might have slipped a decimal point. A thickness of 0.60" is about 5/8" or about 15mm. I have seen aircraft transparencies that thick, but only on transport and jet fighter windshields. In polycarbonate, thicknesses like that might be considered "Bullet Resistant" (I don't like the term "bulletproof"). The canopies for the early HPs are usually made from 1/16" thick material; that's about 0.063" or just over 1.5mm. That's pretty typical for small transparencies such as you'd find in older sailplanes with two-piece canopies. It makes for a transparency that is perfectly adequate for most sailplane flight loads, but with less than inspiring stiffness; especially for limber plastics like polycarbonate. For a while I had a 1/16" Lexan forward canopy on my HP-11, and I remember once when I was pressing back to Truckee through hail that the whole forward canopy shimmered like a soap bubble with each hailstone strike - and they were not much bigger than peas. More typical sailplane canopies, such as the HP-24 transparencies I've been ordering, are made from 1/8" material; that's 0.125" or just over 3mm. Most of the broken European sailplane canopies I've seen seem to be about 3mm thick. Here's the thing, though: The minimum thickness of a canopy is often substantially less than that of the original sheet of material. Since most canopies are either free-blown or stretch-formed from flat material, the finished canopy has more surface area than the original pre-formed material. That extra area doesn't come from nowhere; it comes from stretching the acrylic while it is hot and rubbery. Since (for our purposes at least) acrylic is incomressible, it has to get thinner where it is stretched, and gets thinnest where it is stretched the most. It's hard to say how much thinning is typical, but I have seen pieces of a broken canopy made from 1/8" material where the minimum thickness at the crown was about 0.090". Thanks, and best regards to all Bob K. http://www.hpaircraft.com |
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Bob Kuykendall wrote:
Earlier, Eric Greenwell wrote: All the ones I've looked seem to be about 0.60"... Now wait a minute, Eric, I think you might have slipped a decimal point. It's the "beanie" option offered by all the manufacturers to pilots that like to fly with the hats that have the little button in the center. It hurts like heck when turbulence throws you against the canopy, but it doesn't crack the plastic! More typical sailplane canopies, such as the HP-24 transparencies I've been ordering, are made from 1/8" material; that's 0.125" or just over 3mm. Most of the broken European sailplane canopies I've seen seem to be about 3mm thick. All this time I've been flying gliders, and I've never measured one until tonight. So, here it is: 0.096"! Lots thicker than I thought. That's at the vent window opening on my ASH 26 E, the only convenient point to put a caliper (I hope I never get the chance to measure it elsewhere). -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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