First Time in IMC and vacuum problem

On 1/2/05 8:46 AM, in article , "Jon
Kraus" wrote:


Here is what I'll do different next time:

1. Make sure that I have had the vacuum indicator "in the green" for
several minutes before departing to ensure that the gyros are spooled up.

2. Have the approach for returning to the airport loaded or in standby
just in case you need to return quickly. I did not do this and it added
needless stress loading everything.

It is true what they say:
"It is better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, then
being in the air wishing you were on the ground"

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner


Congratulations Jon! Sounds like a "fun" flight.
We should all remember that aviation quotes are first written in blood and
tears.

It seems you're like me, you learn a few good items to add to that checklist
every time you fly. Happy new year and fly safe.
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Once I calmed myself down it was "kinda" fun. I would have preferred to
have this happen after many flights in IMC though..

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Wizard of Draws wrote:

On 1/2/05 8:46 AM, in article , "Jon
Kraus" wrote:


Here is what I'll do different next time:

1. Make sure that I have had the vacuum indicator "in the green" for
several minutes before departing to ensure that the gyros are spooled up.

2. Have the approach for returning to the airport loaded or in standby
just in case you need to return quickly. I did not do this and it added
needless stress loading everything.

It is true what they say:
"It is better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, then
being in the air wishing you were on the ground"

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner



Congratulations Jon! Sounds like a "fun" flight.
We should all remember that aviation quotes are first written in blood and
tears.

It seems you're like me, you learn a few good items to add to that checklist
every time you fly. Happy new year and fly safe.

GREAT JOB!!! Sounds like you did just fine despite having 'this is NOT a
simulation' flashing in your brain GRIN

So, when are you going to get your CFII... sounds like your instructor did
you right! :0)

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Cecil
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Student - CP-ASEL

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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

I think I'll get this IFR thing more practice first. This incident
helped cement the fact that I don't know diddly about IFR flight. But
for the grace of God that I got down safely. Have you been solo IMC yet.
It is quite a rush (even without the instrument issue)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Cecil Chapman wrote:
GREAT JOB!!! Sounds like you did just fine despite having 'this is NOT a
simulation' flashing in your brain GRIN

So, when are you going to get your CFII... sounds like your instructor did
you right! :0)

Have you been solo IMC yet.
It is quite a rush (even without the instrument issue)

Nope, still a solo IMC 'virgin'..... The commercial flight training is
eating up my flying hours, as is. A couple of times this month I want to
squeeze in some hard IFR with a CFII there (still only have a couple of
hours of 'actual' and that was just in coastal fog layer, for the most
part).

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

I think I'll get this IFR thing more practice first. This incident
helped cement the fact that I don't know diddly about IFR flight. But
for the grace of God that I got down safely. Have you been solo IMC yet?
It is quite a rush (even without the instrument issue)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Cecil Chapman wrote:
GREAT JOB!!! Sounds like you did just fine despite having 'this is NOT a
simulation' flashing in your brain GRIN

So, when are you going to get your CFII... sounds like your instructor did
you right! :0)

I think I'll get this IFR thing more practice first. This incident
helped cement the fact that I don't know diddly about IFR flight. But
for the grace of God that I got down safely. Have you been solo IMC yet.
It is quite a rush (even without the instrument issue)

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Cecil Chapman wrote:

GREAT JOB!!! Sounds like you did just fine despite having 'this is NOT a
simulation' flashing in your brain GRIN

So, when are you going to get your CFII... sounds like your instructor did
you right! :0)

I think I'll get this IFR thing more practice first. This incident
helped cement the fact that I don't know diddly about IFR flight. But
for the grace of God that I got down safely. Have you been solo IMC yet?
It is quite a rush (even without the instrument issue)..

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
Student Mooney Owner

Cecil Chapman wrote:

GREAT JOB!!! Sounds like you did just fine despite having 'this is NOT a
simulation' flashing in your brain GRIN

So, when are you going to get your CFII... sounds like your instructor did
you right! :0)

I've had both my attitude indicator go out (itself) and the vac pump go
out in my Mooney. The attitude indicator failure was MUCH more
upsetting. A vac failure takes awhile to effect instruments and usually
gives a good warning on a Mooney(red light, voice annunicator, etc).
The attitude indicator failure was worse. It appeared to work, but just
slowly started indicating a turn to the right. However, it responded in
pitch and roll just fine, giving the impression it was good. The
failure was in IMC. I decided then to try for a backup electric unit. I
see almost zero value in the backup vac systems, they don't do anything
for the more upsetting attitude indicator failure.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...

failure was in IMC. I decided then to try for a backup electric unit. I
see almost zero value in the backup vac systems, they don't do anything
for the more upsetting attitude indicator failure.


As I understand it the odds of a vacuum failure are a lot higher than the
odds of an AI failure. Either kind of backup is a darn sight better than no
backup.

-cwk.