NY VFR corridor TFR - how does this help?

In article ,
lid says...


So now fixed-wing aircraft must be "UNLESS AUTHORIZED AND BEING CONTROLLED
BY ATC" in that particular corridor.

This helps how?



If it calms the anti-GA rhetoric, IT HELPS.

If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what would be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle of NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

Are we being a bit spoilt here?

GF

"Greg Farris" wrote in message
...
If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what
would be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle
of NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

There's certainly a good reason not to talk to ATC: if you're below their
radar coverage, you might prefer be on the common traffic frequency (there's
one for the Hudson and one for the East River) so you can announce your
position and hear other pilots' announcements.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. ..

There's certainly a good reason not to talk to ATC: if you're below their
radar coverage, you might prefer be on the common traffic frequency
(there's
one for the Hudson and one for the East River) so you can announce your
position and hear other pilots' announcements.

--Gary

Hi Gary. I completely agree with this. It's only in class B that the
controllers have the obligation to separate all air traffice, VFR as well as
IFR. If I'm in the class E, I'd rather be talking to the other traffic so I
know their intentions.

Beyond that, I feel compelled to say that throughout this sorry episode,
your posts have have had the best, no-nonsense information and insights, and
I thank you for that.

"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
m...
"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. ..
There's certainly a good reason not to talk to ATC: if you're below their
radar coverage, you might prefer be on the common traffic frequency
(there's one for the Hudson and one for the East River) so you can
announce your position and hear other pilots' announcements.

Hi Gary. I completely agree with this. It's only in class B that the
controllers have the obligation to separate all air traffice, VFR as well
as
IFR. If I'm in the class E, I'd rather be talking to the other traffic so
I
know their intentions.

Beyond that, I feel compelled to say that throughout this sorry episode,
your posts have have had the best, no-nonsense information and insights,
and
I thank you for that.

Thanks!

--Gary

In article ,
says...


"Greg Farris" wrote in message
...
If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what
would be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle
of NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

There's certainly a good reason not to talk to ATC: if you're below their
radar coverage, you might prefer be on the common traffic frequency (there's
one for the Hudson and one for the East River) so you can announce your
position and hear other pilots' announcements.



CTAF with upwards of ten targets within 2nm?
Why am I not buying this?

GF

Greg Farris writes:

If it calms the anti-GA rhetoric, IT HELPS.

What if another accident occurs?

If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what would be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle of NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

I don't think it's a bad idea to be in contact with ATC; in fact, I'm
surprised that anyone would want to fly through such a crowded area
without talking to anyone. But requiring ATC contact won't prevent
this type of accident.

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In article , Greg Farris
wrote:

So now fixed-wing aircraft must be "UNLESS AUTHORIZED AND BEING CONTROLLED
BY ATC" in that particular corridor.

This helps how?

If it calms the anti-GA rhetoric, IT HELPS.

If it fuels the ignorance of politicians, the media, and the general public,
then it does NOT help. Serioulsy, does it help people understand that
ATC isn't some all-knowing, all-powerful thing that can prevent every
accident if us dumb pilots were being controlled?

If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what would
be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle of
NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

I would think that the answer to your question lies in the purpose of
having a VFR corridor there in the first place.



Are we being a bit spoilt here?

No. For me, I've never flown the VFR corridor and probably never will.
But I'm not going to cop the attitude of "it doesn't effect me, so I don't care"
(I'm not saying that you are doing that). A sore spot with me is imposing
rules that don't directly address the need/desire and have adverse side effects.

--
Bob Noel
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