Marketing and the Cirrus Sales Pitch

"Doug" wrote:

Whatever they are doing, they are selling a lot of airplanes and their
airplanes have a high accident and fatality rate. I don't think anyone
knows why.


Sure we do. Pilots doing stupid things. Now whether the BRS gives
them false confidence or not I really don't care. But of the
deployments I have heard about...pilot stupidity was the primary
causal factor for getting to the point of deployment.

Ron Lee

Ron,

Now whether the BRS gives
them false confidence or not I really don't care.


If it does, that's really the first part of pilot stupidity.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Pilot stupidity is the primary causal factor of most GA accidents.

Mike Schumann

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
"Doug" wrote:

Whatever they are doing, they are selling a lot of airplanes and their
airplanes have a high accident and fatality rate. I don't think anyone
knows why.


Sure we do. Pilots doing stupid things. Now whether the BRS gives
them false confidence or not I really don't care. But of the
deployments I have heard about...pilot stupidity was the primary
causal factor for getting to the point of deployment.

Ron Lee

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:56:58 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
wrote:

Pilot stupidity is the primary causal factor of most GA accidents.

All accidents are, at the root, due to pilot error. Sometimes, though, the
pilot's only error is in getting out of bed that day.....

Ron Wanttaja

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Pilot stupidity is the primary causal factor of most GA accidents.

All accidents are, at the root, due to pilot error. Sometimes, though, the
pilot's only error is in getting out of bed that day.....

Ron Wanttaja

I don't agree. The DC-10 in Sioux City IA (Capt Hays); an MD 80 ntype
crask in the Pacific, The Airbus in New York soon after 9/11, etc are
mechanical issues that I would not attribute to the pilot(s).

Ron Lee

Wasn't the Airbus due to too rapid and complete rudder activation? Since it
wasn't warned against, I guess it can't be completely laid on the pilot, but
still it was a pilot input that caused the failure.

mike

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Pilot stupidity is the primary causal factor of most GA accidents.

All accidents are, at the root, due to pilot error. Sometimes, though,
the
pilot's only error is in getting out of bed that day.....

Ron Wanttaja

I don't agree. The DC-10 in Sioux City IA (Capt Hays); an MD 80 ntype
crask in the Pacific, The Airbus in New York soon after 9/11, etc are
mechanical issues that I would not attribute to the pilot(s).

Ron Lee

"mike regish" wrote:

Wasn't the Airbus due to too rapid and complete rudder activation? Since it
wasn't warned against, I guess it can't be completely laid on the pilot, but
still it was a pilot input that caused the failure.


That one may be ambiguous.

Ron Lee

"Ron Lee" wrote in message That one may be ambiguous.

Ambiguous how? In that the pilot mistakingly believed that full flight
control travel was safe because he was below manuevering speed and American
Airline's training program reinforced that flawed premise?

That airplane didn't break without the pilot's help.

D.