Aircraft manufacturers and their reputations

Kingfish wrote:



Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

The Eclipse will cost well north of $100K per year to operate, that's
how Beech sells Barons.

Newps wrote:
Kingfish wrote:



Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

The Eclipse will cost well north of $100K per year to operate, that's
how Beech sells Barons.

What are you basing that figure on?

Kingfish wrote:

Newps wrote:

Kingfish wrote:



Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

The Eclipse will cost well north of $100K per year to operate, that's
how Beech sells Barons.


What are you basing that figure on?

Several magazine articles and several friends with jets. Nobody
shopping for a Baron looks at any VLJ as an optional plane. The VLJ
will replace the King Air, Conquest, Cheyenne, etc. One friend has a
Caravan on amphibs. Annual insurance cost is $38K. He also has a
Citation, annual insurance premium is $95K. One trip a year to Flight
Safety is a chunk of change too. Operating a jet is so much more
expensive than any piston as to never, ever compare on an apples to
apples basis.

Newps wrote:

(KFWhat are you basing that figure on?

Several magazine articles and several friends with jets. Nobody
shopping for a Baron looks at any VLJ as an optional plane. The VLJ
will replace the King Air, Conquest, Cheyenne, etc. One friend has a
Caravan on amphibs. Annual insurance cost is $38K. He also has a
Citation, annual insurance premium is $95K. One trip a year to Flight
Safety is a chunk of change too. Operating a jet is so much more
expensive than any piston as to never, ever compare on an apples to
apples basis.

Eclipse uses $32k for annual insurance cost on their site, but I've
read about it being as high as $42k depending on an individual pilot's
time & ratings. Either way, I sure won't be writing a check anytime
soon : ) I realize Barons & VLJs are apples & oranges, and most
people wouldn't cross-shop the two types. That being said, I guess I
was just amazed by the relatively minimal (purchase) price increase to
go 150kt faster.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

The Eclipse will cost well north of $100K per year to operate, that's
how Beech sells Barons.


What are you basing that figure on?

Several magazine articles and several friends with jets. Nobody shopping
for a Baron looks at any VLJ as an optional plane. The VLJ will replace
the King Air, Conquest, Cheyenne, etc. One friend has a Caravan on
amphibs. Annual insurance cost is $38K. He also has a Citation, annual
insurance premium is $95K. One trip a year to Flight Safety is a chunk of
change too. Operating a jet is so much more expensive than any piston as
to never, ever compare on an apples to apples basis.

http://www.eclipseaviation.com/affordability/economics/ (Compare the Eclipse
500 and the Baron)

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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Not sure where you got that figure from, Woodland Aviation is
advertising an '06 G58 for $1.26 million. I wonder how Beech can sell
it for that kinda dough when the Eclipse is 150kt faster for $1.4M
scratching head

The Eclipse will cost well north of $100K per year to operate, that's
how Beech sells Barons.


What are you basing that figure on?

Several magazine articles and several friends with jets. Nobody shopping
for a Baron looks at any VLJ as an optional plane. The VLJ will replace
the King Air, Conquest, Cheyenne, etc. One friend has a Caravan on
amphibs. Annual insurance cost is $38K. He also has a Citation, annual
insurance premium is $95K. One trip a year to Flight Safety is a chunk of
change too. Operating a jet is so much more expensive than any piston as
to never, ever compare on an apples to apples basis.


http://www.eclipseaviation.com/affordability/economics/ (Compare the Eclipse
500 and the Baron)

Using an Eclipse site for cost comparisons is pretty funny. I'd like to
see some unbiased data.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:


http://www.eclipseaviation.com/affordability/economics/ (Compare the
Eclipse 500 and the Baron)

Using an Eclipse site for cost comparisons is pretty funny. I'd like to
see some unbiased data.

Did you check their data sources?

(This is my only response, Matt, as I'm not into your typical lame
filibustering).

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:


http://www.eclipseaviation.com/affordability/economics/ (Compare the
Eclipse 500 and the Baron)

Using an Eclipse site for cost comparisons is pretty funny. I'd like to
see some unbiased data.


Did you check their data sources?

(This is my only response, Matt, as I'm not into your typical lame
filibustering).



No, as I can't afford any of the airplanes on their list. However, I
know from past experience that you have to take manufacturer's
comparisons with a large grain of salt.

Matt

Matt Barrow wrote:
http://www.eclipseaviation.com/affordability/economics/ (Compare the Eclipse
500 and the Baron)

Eclipse sez $29K to insure a Baron? Yikes. That makes a 10 year old B58
look a lot more attractive to a buyer huh? But if you MUST have glass...

"Kingfish" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
http://www.eclipseaviation.com/affordability/economics/ (Compare the
Eclipse
500 and the Baron)

Eclipse sez $29K to insure a Baron? Yikes. That makes a 10 year old B58
look a lot more attractive to a buyer huh? But if you MUST have glass...

IIRC, light twins have the highest accident rates...by far.