SR22 crash involved racecar driver

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote:

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote

Awful deal. Looked like he was well qualified which only goes to show
that IMC
in possible icing conditions is serious business.

I've gotta wonder why he didn't use the parachute, or if he did, why it
didn't
save him. I did not read if he did use the parachute, or not. Anyone
know the
answer to that?
--
Jim in NC

Maybe I am too dense but if icing conditions were forecast as likely
doesn't it make sense to AVOID the ice in the first place? The
parachute should not be a substitute for proper flight planning and
judgement.

Ron Lee

Therein lies the perceived problem with the Cirrus IMO. Launching into
possible adverse weather with the chute as backup.

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DW

Darkwing heducksmailTyahoo.com wrote:

Therein lies the perceived problem with the Cirrus IMO. Launching into
possible adverse weather with the chute as backup.

As opposed to having a plan B for encountering adverse weather. Adverse
weather in and of itself doesn't always mean not launching, IME.

--
Peter

can't see who wrote this:
Maybe I am too dense but if icing conditions were forecast as likely
doesn't it make sense to AVOID the ice in the first place? The
parachute should not be a substitute for proper flight planning and
judgement.

Maybe this is a dumb question, but I heard someone say if the plane
can't fly because of icing, the parachute won't work because of the
icing, either. I'm not a skydiver or scientist ... is that true? Is a
parachute of no value when there's icing?

wrote:

Maybe this is a dumb question, but I heard someone say if the plane
can't fly because of icing, the parachute won't work because of the
icing, either. I'm not a skydiver or scientist ... is that true? Is a
parachute of no value when there's icing?

Since most ice build along the leading edges of the wing, the gear, and the
prob blades, I cannot imagine how that would impact the ballistic parachute
that is located on the top of the aircraft, just behind the cabin.


--
Peter

There is the chance that the parachute will ice up itself; when deployed
in icing conditions. If long enough(duration) in icing conditions there
is a risk of collapse. Of course it will deploy but it is not made to
collect ice and function properly.

unicate wrote:

can't see who wrote this:

Maybe I am too dense but if icing conditions were forecast as likely
doesn't it make sense to AVOID the ice in the first place? The
parachute should not be a substitute for proper flight planning and
judgement.


Maybe this is a dumb question, but I heard someone say if the plane
can't fly because of icing, the parachute won't work because of the
icing, either. I'm not a skydiver or scientist ... is that true? Is a
parachute of no value when there's icing?

The Visitor wrote:
There is the chance that the parachute will ice up itself; when deployed
in icing conditions. If long enough(duration) in icing conditions there
is a risk of collapse. Of course it will deploy but it is not made to
collect ice and function properly.

Thank you. That was my question ... not whether or not a parachute could
sustain an airplane with ice, but whether or not a parachute itself is
susceptible to ice and resulting failure.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:11:57 -0700, unicate wrote:

The Visitor wrote:
There is the chance that the parachute will ice up itself; when deployed
in icing conditions. If long enough(duration) in icing conditions there
is a risk of collapse. Of course it will deploy but it is not made to
collect ice and function properly.

Thank you. That was my question ... not whether or not a parachute could
sustain an airplane with ice, but whether or not a parachute itself is
susceptible to ice and resulting failure.

http://fl250.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_fl250_archive.html

Check the "Craziest Pirep Ever" section.

"Peter Clark" wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:11:57 -0700, unicate wrote:

The Visitor wrote:
There is the chance that the parachute will ice up itself; when
deployed
in icing conditions. If long enough(duration) in icing conditions there
is a risk of collapse. Of course it will deploy but it is not made to
collect ice and function properly.

Thank you. That was my question ... not whether or not a parachute could
sustain an airplane with ice, but whether or not a parachute itself is
susceptible to ice and resulting failure.

http://fl250.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_fl250_archive.html

Check the "Craziest Pirep Ever" section.

Isn't there a difference between known icing, forecast probable icing, and
forecast possible icing--in addition to the severity of said conditions?

Peter

"Peter Dohm" wrote:

Isn't there a difference between known icing, forecast probable icing, and
forecast possible icing--in addition to the severity of said conditions?

Peter

Not to me. I won't fly anywhere near any of those.

Ron Lee

Peter Clark wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:11:57 -0700, unicate wrote:
Thank you. That was my question ... not whether or not a parachute
could sustain an airplane with ice, but whether or not a parachute
itself is susceptible to ice and resulting failure.

http://fl250.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_fl250_archive.html

Check the "Craziest Pirep Ever" section.

I searched the NTSB database for non-fatal Cirrus accidents that mentioned
icing and this looks like it may be the report for the above mentioned
accident:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...18X00086&key=1

The narrative makes it clear the pilot had gonzo amounts of experience, yet
seemed oblivious to the on-board XM Satellite Radio AIRMET updates and
relied on weather reports that were out-of-date when he departed.

This pilot doesn't fit the alleged pattern of low-time but financially
well-off pilot that people are accusing Cirrus of marketing their product.