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The proper claim to be making is that the (insert local government)
failed to realize the importance of the airport to economic development.
In so doing they allowed incompatible land uses by means of bad planning
zoning to encroach upon the airport environs, compromising the saftey of
the very citizens they swore to protect by placing them directly in
harms way.

In article
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john smith wrote:

The proper claim to be making is that the (insert local government)
failed to realize the importance of the airport to economic development.
In so doing they allowed incompatible land uses by means of bad planning
zoning to encroach upon the airport environs, compromising the saftey of
the very citizens they swore to protect by placing them directly in
harms way.

compromising safety?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:

In article
,
john smith wrote:

The proper claim to be making is that the (insert local government)
failed to realize the importance of the airport to economic development.
In so doing they allowed incompatible land uses by means of bad planning
zoning to encroach upon the airport environs, compromising the saftey of
the very citizens they swore to protect by placing them directly in
harms way.

compromising safety?

The topic was "runway safety zones" was it not?
It is not safe to put people in said areas.

"john smith" wrote in message
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The topic was "runway safety zones" was it not?
It is not safe to put people in said areas.


I suppose not, but which was there first, the people or the "runway safety
zone"?

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:40:04 GMT, john smith wrote:

In article ,
Bob Noel wrote:

In article
,
john smith wrote:

The proper claim to be making is that the (insert local government)
failed to realize the importance of the airport to economic development.
In so doing they allowed incompatible land uses by means of bad planning
zoning to encroach upon the airport environs, compromising the saftey of
the very citizens they swore to protect by placing them directly in
harms way.

compromising safety?

The topic was "runway safety zones" was it not?
It is not safe to put people in said areas.

It should be.

The "Runway safety zone" is an addition to a runway that is amply
sufficient for the plane to land on. The runway is also long enough to
accommodate the accelerate/stop distance

The 1000 foot "safety zone" is a more or less arbitrary length that
was chosen under the "If some body really screws up or something goes
wrong how much extra length *should* be sufficient for them to get
stopped. Mechanical failure is rare, but it does happen. Cockpit
screw-ups occasionally do happen. Not taking into account the
likelihood of hydroplaning on a wet runway, braking action nil on snow
covered runways, and misconfiguring the plane for the specific landing
(or take off)

Our nearest commercial airport which has about 10 or 12 scheduled
flights a day (might be more) has never had any one use the over runs
and it has the over runs (safety zones) on all runways. It did have a
Viscount (turboprop) land about a mile short back in 57. All on board
were lost. A safety zone would have done nothing for the airplane or
any one in the area of the crash had it been built up.

And to the post that said the "airport was here first" doesn't mean
anything. More than one entity has claimed eminent domain and cleared
out the area for runway and/or airport expansion. It also depends on
how much support the airport receives from the local government.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

We're about to have another round of Us v. Them in Denver at APA.
The FAA is starting another 180 days of public comment on noise.
The article in the newspaper started out very positive, citing the
economic impact. That was the first 2 paragraphs. Then the rest of
the article was rather negative, talking about noise, giving the
telephone number to make complaints, and so on.

APA does not take FAA funds for many reasons, including not being
allowed to have scheduled flights. There are lots of charters
but nothing scheduled.

And they keep building directly under the 17 approach, about
2 miles north of the runway. And people keep buying these houses!

I was planning a xcountry to Scottsbluff and noticed in the NOTAMs that 3V5
was closed indefinitely. That's Ft.Collins, Co Downtown. Anybody know
what's happening there?

When I bought my first house I found the perfect place right beside Buckley
AFB's runway. I got to see all the cool stuff and loved the noise.
When the other people around me complained I just asked why they bought a
place next to an Air Force Base that had been there 75 years.

Paul

"Blanche" wrote in message
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We're about to have another round of Us v. Them in Denver at APA.
The FAA is starting another 180 days of public comment on noise.
The article in the newspaper started out very positive, citing the
economic impact. That was the first 2 paragraphs. Then the rest of
the article was rather negative, talking about noise, giving the
telephone number to make complaints, and so on.

APA does not take FAA funds for many reasons, including not being
allowed to have scheduled flights. There are lots of charters
but nothing scheduled.

And they keep building directly under the 17 approach, about
2 miles north of the runway. And people keep buying these houses!

On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:13:13 -0700, adeian wrote:

When the other people around me complained I just asked why they
bought a place next to an Air Force Base that had been there 75 years.

How did they respond?

- Andrew

They didn't care at all just grumbled and moaned more. I'm always looking
for people to take flying though and I got one of them interested enough in
Aviation to get his PPL. Last I heard his Son was working on his. So a
little good came of it.

Paul

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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On Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:13:13 -0700, adeian wrote:

When the other people around me complained I just asked why they
bought a place next to an Air Force Base that had been there 75 years.

How did they respond?

- Andrew

adeian wrote:
I was planning a xcountry to Scottsbluff and noticed in the NOTAMs that 3V5
was closed indefinitely. That's Ft.Collins, Co Downtown. Anybody know
what's happening there?

Downtown closed last month. Developers. And with Fort/Love, the city
was in no way ready to help. They like the developers better.

email me off-list

blanche at acm.org

for more details.