1979 Tiger for Sale

I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!
And what are you telling me here?
Are you trying to do some loops and steep turns?
Any plane racing in your future?
Handling better - for what?
Newer is better - PERIOD.


"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
.net...
Fly a Tiger and then come back and tell me it handles like a Cessna.


"Satellite" wrote in message
om...
Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back:
How do you come up with a ridiculous price like that.
Your plane is an old pile of junk.
Compare it to a 1997 to 1999 Cessna 172!
They are available from $75000 and up...
Look for yourself www.aso.com
And you get recent avionics, lower time,
nice paint, nice interior, lower insurance,
ad a new engine and you are set...
Your plane... $76000...Ha, what a joke...


"Flynn" wrote in message
news:YpN1b.235442$o%2.106915@sccrnsc02...
Well I've taken the new plane plunge and put a deposit down on a new
SR22
for delivery in late Sept. My wife says I can't have 2 airplanes so
the
Tiger's for sale.

Latest info is at
http://www.ipilot.com/classifieds/ad...&cid=-1&fuid=0
I'm going to take some new pic's today and post them there. Contact
info
if
interested is also at the above site.

Patrick Flynn
Sammamish, WA
79 Tiger N4543A KRNT

"Satellite" wrote:
I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!

Somehow I doubt you've spent much time in light aircraft of any age.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

I don't think that's the issue here. (PPL - 110h) Why are you trying to
discredit me anyways? Running out of arguments?

If you buy the Tiger you will have to update the avionics sooner or later -
this will cost you incl. install about $20000 to $25000 - If you buy a used
C172 (newer model) like 1997 or newer with a runout engine, you spend about
$21000 for a new engine. So essentially for the same price in the end you
will have an airplane that was build 20 years later. Not to mention the
paint, the interior, the glass etc.

If you are really smart and want to save some money and get more speed,
consider spending rather $40000 on an STC for an engine conversion to the
Centurion 1.7 engine. Then you can burn jet fuel in a C172 at a rate of
4.6gal/h at 110 kts. Now that's efficient. And because it's a turbo
normalized diesel engine running on jet fuel you will have full power - even
up to 12000 feet.

http://www.centurion-engines.com/c17/c17_perform.htm

And don't talk to me like I am an idiot, I was an aircraft mechanic and
helicopter mechanic in the German Army - I did my research. I will buy a
used C172 after I get my IFR. I will buy one with a runout engine and
convert to the mentioned jet diesel. The conversion comes with everything
firewall forward. So for about $110000 I can go 110 kts and use only about
4.5 gal of jet fuel. You buy what you like, but I recommend to take a piece
of paper and calculate the "total cost" of flying. I will still fly when you
run out of credit cards at the FBO to gas up.


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Satellite" wrote:
I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!

Somehow I doubt you've spent much time in light aircraft of any age.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Are you flying in the US or in Europe?


"Satellite" wrote in message
m...
I don't think that's the issue here. (PPL - 110h) Why are you trying to
discredit me anyways? Running out of arguments?

If you buy the Tiger you will have to update the avionics sooner or
later -
this will cost you incl. install about $20000 to $25000 - If you buy a
used
C172 (newer model) like 1997 or newer with a runout engine, you spend
about
$21000 for a new engine. So essentially for the same price in the end you
will have an airplane that was build 20 years later. Not to mention the
paint, the interior, the glass etc.

If you are really smart and want to save some money and get more speed,
consider spending rather $40000 on an STC for an engine conversion to the
Centurion 1.7 engine. Then you can burn jet fuel in a C172 at a rate of
4.6gal/h at 110 kts. Now that's efficient. And because it's a turbo
normalized diesel engine running on jet fuel you will have full power -
even
up to 12000 feet.

http://www.centurion-engines.com/c17/c17_perform.htm

And don't talk to me like I am an idiot, I was an aircraft mechanic and
helicopter mechanic in the German Army - I did my research. I will buy a
used C172 after I get my IFR. I will buy one with a runout engine and
convert to the mentioned jet diesel. The conversion comes with everything
firewall forward. So for about $110000 I can go 110 kts and use only about
4.5 gal of jet fuel. You buy what you like, but I recommend to take a
piece
of paper and calculate the "total cost" of flying. I will still fly when
you
run out of credit cards at the FBO to gas up.


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Satellite" wrote:
I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!

Somehow I doubt you've spent much time in light aircraft of any age.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

I fly in Florida...


"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
.net...
Are you flying in the US or in Europe?


"Satellite" wrote in message
m...
I don't think that's the issue here. (PPL - 110h) Why are you trying to
discredit me anyways? Running out of arguments?

If you buy the Tiger you will have to update the avionics sooner or
later -
this will cost you incl. install about $20000 to $25000 - If you buy a
used
C172 (newer model) like 1997 or newer with a runout engine, you spend
about
$21000 for a new engine. So essentially for the same price in the end
you
will have an airplane that was build 20 years later. Not to mention the
paint, the interior, the glass etc.

If you are really smart and want to save some money and get more speed,
consider spending rather $40000 on an STC for an engine conversion to
the
Centurion 1.7 engine. Then you can burn jet fuel in a C172 at a rate of
4.6gal/h at 110 kts. Now that's efficient. And because it's a turbo
normalized diesel engine running on jet fuel you will have full power -
even
up to 12000 feet.

http://www.centurion-engines.com/c17/c17_perform.htm

And don't talk to me like I am an idiot, I was an aircraft mechanic and
helicopter mechanic in the German Army - I did my research. I will buy a
used C172 after I get my IFR. I will buy one with a runout engine and
convert to the mentioned jet diesel. The conversion comes with
everything
firewall forward. So for about $110000 I can go 110 kts and use only
about
4.5 gal of jet fuel. You buy what you like, but I recommend to take a
piece
of paper and calculate the "total cost" of flying. I will still fly when
you
run out of credit cards at the FBO to gas up.


"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Satellite" wrote:
I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!

Somehow I doubt you've spent much time in light aircraft of any age.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

I fly in Florida...

Well, no wonder! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Satellite" wrote:
I don't think that's the issue here. (PPL - 110h) Why are you
trying to
discredit me anyways?

You did that yourself when you failed to notice that Flynn's Tiger has
a fairly fresh engine whereas the Cessnas you were touting were all
near or past TBO. You also said you wouldn't fly in anything older
than 20 years, a silly prejudice.

Running out of arguments?

You also disregarded the fact that the Tiger has an autopilot worth
several thousand dollars.

If you buy the Tiger you will have to update the avionics sooner or
later -
this will cost you incl. install about $20000 to $25000 -

They've already been upgraded and will be ok for as long as the
Cessnas' will.

And don't talk to me like I am an idiot,

Don't pop up in this newsgroup calling another poster's airplane a
joke without knowing what you're talking about - someone might think
you're an idiot.

I was an aircraft mechanic and
helicopter mechanic in the German Army - I did my research.

Then how come you didn't know the going price for a nice '79 Tiger?

If you want to by a runout Skyhawk and turn it into a diesel science
project, fine, please tell us all about it. But Flynn will probably
get what he's asking for the Tiger, and whoever buys it will pass you
on the airway.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...
"Satellite" wrote:
I don't think that's the issue here. (PPL - 110h) Why are you
trying to
discredit me anyways?

You did that yourself when you failed to notice that Flynn's Tiger has
a fairly fresh engine whereas the Cessnas you were touting were all
near or past TBO. You also said you wouldn't fly in anything older
than 20 years, a silly prejudice.

I drive a newer car and want a newer plane, easy. Has nothing to do with
prejudice, good taste maybe. I don't fly a plane with such a hiddious
looking interiour, that's for sure... Reminds me to much of a junker I drove
when I was jung...

Running out of arguments?

You also disregarded the fact that the Tiger has an autopilot worth
several thousand dollars.

Almost all newer Cessnas have autopilots too.

If you buy the Tiger you will have to update the avionics sooner or
later -
this will cost you incl. install about $20000 to $25000 -

They've already been upgraded and will be ok for as long as the
Cessnas' will.

Yes, upgraded to a nonmatching set from different manufacturers. If you like
to fly like that, ok. I call that JUNK!!!

And don't talk to me like I am an idiot,

Don't pop up in this newsgroup calling another poster's airplane a
joke without knowing what you're talking about - someone might think
you're an idiot.

I was an aircraft mechanic and
helicopter mechanic in the German Army - I did my research.

Then how come you didn't know the going price for a nice '79 Tiger?

Show me one who pays that price! Good luck, he's gonna need it...

If you want to by a runout Skyhawk and turn it into a diesel science
project, fine, please tell us all about it. But Flynn will probably
get what he's asking for the Tiger, and whoever buys it will pass you
on the airway.

We talk about a runout, outdated Tiger. The Cessnas only need an engine
overhaul. And that's not a science project. It's approved in the USA and the
engine will also be used in the new Diamond aircrafts!

It looks to me like you have no idea what you are talking about. Why don't
you get it - It's still a 20 year old Tiger. But I think you are not a
stupid as you appear, since you fly a C172. But you do pay a lot more for RG
without getting much in return. Go figure...

And if he CAN sell it for that price. Congrats, there must be a lot more
idiots flying than I thought - it scares me... Kennedy jr. and John Denver
come to mind. One with no gas and no proper license and no medical in an
homebuild and the other flying into IFR without proper rating and after he
was warned not to go in a new plane he was not yet comfortable with (or he
would used the auto pilot)...
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Newer is not necessarily better.

As far as handling goes, I am fully convinced the rapid roll rate of the
Grumman saved my butt one day last summer at an uncontrolled field in an
"encounter" with a very aerobatic NORDO Pitts in a very very unstandard
pattern.


"Satellite" wrote in message
m...
I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!
And what are you telling me here?
Are you trying to do some loops and steep turns?
Any plane racing in your future?
Handling better - for what?
Newer is better - PERIOD.


"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
.net...
Fly a Tiger and then come back and tell me it handles like a Cessna.

I couldn't tell if you were trolling or just stunningly misinformed
and inexperienced. Seeing in another post that you have 110 hours, I'm
going to assume the latter. Your statement abot 'newer is better -
period' is just plain silly. I can show you a late 60s Cessna 182 at
my home airport that will put any new 182 to shame. 100 hour engine,
beautiful paint, great avionics, stunning leather interior. All for
less than 1/2 the cost of a similarly equipped 'new' 182. The owner
bought a 'normal' 182 (with shaky P&I) and had it fixed up *exactly*
the way he wanted it. Since he paid a fraction of the cost of new, he
could afford to have it done his way. Ask any A&P (or even any pilot
with more than 110 hours) and ask them how important airframe age is.
They'll tell you 'not very'. A properly maintained non-pressurized
small plane can fly indefinitely...go do some research in the NTSB
database, you will find *very* few accidents relating to airframe age.

I'd take this 'old' Cessna over a new 182 any day. What exactly can
you do with a new 182 that I couldn't do with this older one, that
cost less than 1/2 the price? Hull insurance is lower, so I save money
on an ongoing basis. On a common, simple plane like a 182 (or even a
not-so common plane like my 1963 Beech Musketeer) maintenence and
parts are not significantly greater in cost than for a much newer
plane. Bournelli's law applies equally to 1963 and 2003 airplanes, so
they both can get the job of flying done. So what? What *exactly*
makes the 2003 plane better?


Cap

"Satellite" wrote in message om...
I don't get into an older than 20 year plane!
And what are you telling me here?
Are you trying to do some loops and steep turns?
Any plane racing in your future?
Handling better - for what?
Newer is better - PERIOD.


"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
.net...
Fly a Tiger and then come back and tell me it handles like a Cessna.


"Satellite" wrote in message
om...
Sorry for my comment, but can't hold back:
How do you come up with a ridiculous price like that.
Your plane is an old pile of junk.
Compare it to a 1997 to 1999 Cessna 172!
They are available from $75000 and up...
Look for yourself www.aso.com
And you get recent avionics, lower time,
nice paint, nice interior, lower insurance,
ad a new engine and you are set...
Your plane... $76000...Ha, what a joke...


"Flynn" wrote in message
news:YpN1b.235442$o%2.106915@sccrnsc02...
Well I've taken the new plane plunge and put a deposit down on a new
SR22
for delivery in late Sept. My wife says I can't have 2 airplanes so
the
Tiger's for sale.

Latest info is at
http://www.ipilot.com/classifieds/ad...&cid=-1&fuid=0
I'm going to take some new pic's today and post them there. Contact
info
if
interested is also at the above site.

Patrick Flynn
Sammamish, WA
79 Tiger N4543A KRNT