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Old November 26th 06, 02:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Peter Dohm
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Is it practical/desirable to use it for steering?

Yes, it is.

Unfortunately it is very awkward to adjust the throttles separately in
a sim, so I've never tried this type of steering.


Hmmm. Let me guess ... you don't have a full throttle quadrant in addition
to your yoke and rudder pedals (hopefully with brakes).

Without all of that/those, I don't see how you hope to simulate any
particular type of aircraft.


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Old November 26th 06, 04:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Peter Dohm writes:

Hmmm. Let me guess ... you don't have a full throttle quadrant in addition
to your yoke and rudder pedals (hopefully with brakes).


Just a single throttle. The occasions where I might need separate
throttle controls are so rare that they don't justify the expense of a
full dual set of throttles. For things like single-engine failures, I
pause the sim to reset throttles or feather props or whatever.

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Old November 26th 06, 11:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Peter Dohm
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Just a single throttle. The occasions where I might need separate
throttle controls are so rare that they don't justify the expense of a
full dual set of throttles.


Perhaps, since you are not really using it as a simulation in preparation
for a flight. OTOH, you found one.

For things like single-engine failures, I
pause the sim to reset throttles or feather props or whatever.


Thus simulating nothing.


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Old November 26th 06, 12:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
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Peter Dohm writes:

Perhaps, since you are not really using it as a simulation in preparation
for a flight. OTOH, you found one.


It looks as though throttles are often side by side in real aircraft
as well, so presumably one moves them as a unit most of the time,
unless there's a specific reason to adjust one throttle alone.

One thing about the sim is that throttles are always perfectly locked
together. I don't know how easy that is to manage in real life,
unless an aircraft has some sort of locking system to ensure that all
throttles move in exactly the same way.

I've heard that very small differences in throttle settings can reduce
economy, and that FADECs automatically eliminate discrepancies in
order to improve fuel economy.

Thus simulating nothing.


Not quite. Some things that are time-consuming in the sim would be
extremely fast and easy in real life. Thus, pausing the sim to carry
them out is actually more realistic than doing them in real time.

For example, feathering a single prop requires bringing up the
throttle panel, placing the mouse on the prop lever, and rolling it
downwards towards the feather position. In real life, it would be one
very simple and quick movement. Doing it in the sim takes time that
wouldn't be taken up in real life, and thus reduces realism. Pausing
the sim makes the timing closer to real life.

The main reason for throttle quadrants is to avoid the problem above.
Adjusting throttles in MSFS is very awkward without an actual throttle
quadrant, and throttle adjustments are so frequent in real life that
having a moveable throttle lever enhances realism enough to make it
cost-effective. This is dramatically less true for prop and mixture
levers.

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Old November 26th 06, 10:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Peter Dohm
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Default Steering on the taxiway - Enough already!

Thus simulating nothing.

Not quite. Some things that are time-consuming in the sim would be
extremely fast and easy in real life. Thus, pausing the sim to carry
them out is actually more realistic than doing them in real time.

I have been a long time proponent of simulation as a safer and more cost
effective method to practice and prepare for a variety of operations.
However, you have finally convinced me that Allen, Jim, and several others
have been correct in their assessment--that this series of threads is a huge
waste.

Therefore, Mx, fairwell to you and I hope that you are finding enjoyment in
almost simulating.

Peter


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Old November 27th 06, 11:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jon Kraus
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Default Steering on the taxiway - Enough already!

Good job for seeing the light Peter... It won't take too much longer to
flush MXIdiot away... I see that his "Various ATC Questions" post had no
takers from regular posters... Yea!! The beginning of the end is near...

Jon

Peter Dohm wrote:
Thus simulating nothing.


Not quite. Some things that are time-consuming in the sim would be
extremely fast and easy in real life. Thus, pausing the sim to carry
them out is actually more realistic than doing them in real time.


I have been a long time proponent of simulation as a safer and more cost
effective method to practice and prepare for a variety of operations.
However, you have finally convinced me that Allen, Jim, and several others
have been correct in their assessment--that this series of threads is a huge
waste.

Therefore, Mx, fairwell to you and I hope that you are finding enjoyment in
almost simulating.

Peter


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Old November 28th 06, 02:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Morgans[_2_]
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Default Steering on the taxiway - Enough already!


"Peter Dohm" wrote

However, you have finally convinced me that Allen, Jim, and several others
have been correct in their assessment--that this series of threads is a huge
waste.

Therefore, Mx, fairwell to you and I hope that you are finding enjoyment in
almost simulating.


Thanks, Peter, for coming around. I hope everyone will. I will miss some of
the other's posts, but I'm glad you get to stay on my screen.
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Old November 26th 06, 05:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Morgans[_2_]
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"Peter Dohm" wrote

to your yoke and rudder pedals (hopefully with brakes).

Without all of that/those, I don't see how you hope to simulate any
particular type of aircraft.


Using a game, I don't see how he can hope to accurately simulate anything, other
than entertainment.
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Jim in NC

 




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