First plane

I've got quite a few hours (including a winter coast-to-coast trip) in a
pair of '74 Pathfinders from a former partnership. I found the '74
Pathfinder to be a great "4-adults plus baggage and fuel to go
somewhere" airplane. The original founders of that partnership did a
lot of research before choosing the '74 as the best combination of
features and value. When I sold my share (I still miss those planes) I
built a web site to advertise my share that included a pair of
spreadsheets that I had been using for planning W&B. You're welcome to
plug in your own figures to see what the plane is capable of carrying.
(I still maintain those pages for other former partners to occasionally
sell their shares.)

http://www.4-fs.com/baja/performance.htm


Steve


Jay Honeck wrote:
Well, there is this:

http://www.grumman.net/cgrcc/aa5-180compare.html


Nice chart, but the information for the Cherokee 235 line is
inaccurate. To bunch that many 235 variations together from 1964 to
1977 into one performance category is wrong -- the plane changed
dramatically during that 13 year span, even changing names several
times.

For example, a pre-1973 PA28-235 has a smaller interior, fuselage fuel
capacity, and empennage size. The chart also shows 235s having a
fixed-pitch prop, which is wrong for anything after (I think) 1970.
The '74 Pathfinder that we own is a far different plane than a 1964 or
even '72 Cherokee 235, in ways that directly impact (or should impact)
the purchasing decision of any potential buyer.

These are not subtle differences. If you're looking for a true 4-place
plane, a post '73 Cherokee 235 is hard to beat. A pre-'73 Cherokee 235
is not suitable for hauling back-seat passengers, IMHO, and should be
avoided if you're really going to be hauling four adults.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

: http://www.4-fs.com/baja/performance.htm

Sounds kinda cool, but requires Internet Exploiter. Unable.

-Cory

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* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
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wrote:

: http://www.4-fs.com/baja/performance.htm

Sounds kinda cool, but requires Internet Exploiter. Unable.

Works with Netscape.

: : http://www.4-fs.com/baja/performance.htm
:
: Sounds kinda cool, but requires Internet Exploiter. Unable.

: Works with Netscape.

The message I got was something along the lines of Internet Exploiter and
MSOffice 2003 extension or something. Must only require the latter. I have neither
on my firefox under linux. I don't care all that much, but I just figured I'd point
out that it's not Internet friendly... only Microsoft-Internet friendly.

-Cory


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************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

wrote:
: : http://www.4-fs.com/baja/performance.htm
:
: Sounds kinda cool, but requires Internet Exploiter. Unable.

: Works with Netscape.

The message I got was something along the lines of Internet Exploiter and
MSOffice 2003 extension or something. Must only require the latter. I have neither
on my firefox under linux. I don't care all that much, but I just figured I'd point
out that it's not Internet friendly... only Microsoft-Internet friendly.

I concur. With Mozilla 1.7.12 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US;
rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050928, I get:

"To use this Web page interactively, you must have Microsoft® Internet
Explorer 5.01 Service Pack 2 (SP2) or later and the Microsoft Office
2003 Web Components. Click here to install the Office 2003 Web
Components. See the Microsoft Office Web site for more information."

: The message I got was something along the lines of Internet Exploiter and
: MSOffice 2003 extension or something. Must only require the latter. I have neither
: on my firefox under linux. I don't care all that much, but I just figured I'd point
: out that it's not Internet friendly... only Microsoft-Internet friendly.

: I concur. With Mozilla 1.7.12 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US;
: rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050928, I get:

: "To use this Web page interactively, you must have Microsoft?? Internet
: Explorer 5.01 Service Pack 2 (SP2) or later and the Microsoft Office
: 2003 Web Components. Click here to install the Office 2003 Web
: Components. See the Microsoft Office Web site for more information."

Once upon a time (circa 1999), I ran Internet Explorer on SunOS on a Sun Ultra 2 at the University if Illinois.

-Cory

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************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

wrote:
: : http://www.4-fs.com/baja/performance.htm
:
: Sounds kinda cool, but requires Internet Exploiter. Unable.

: Works with Netscape.

The message I got was something along the lines of Internet
Exploiter and
MSOffice 2003 extension or something. Must only require the latter.
I have neither
on my firefox under linux. I don't care all that much, but I just
figured I'd point
out that it's not Internet friendly... only Microsoft-Internet friendly.

-Cory


That's Bill Gates for you. :-) The pages were built (quite some time
ago) with MS FrontPage which embedded the Excel spreadsheets as a
modified web form of some sort that requires 'Office Web Components'
on the client computer. The idea is that you can plug numbers into the
spreadsheet interactively in the browser rather than having to download
a copy of the .xls file and opening it with Excel (which a suprising
number of people do not have on their computers).

I'll add the actual .xls files tonight when I get home, which you might
be able to use with OpenOffice on linux.

Jim Carter suggested elsewhere in the thread about using a 6 seat plane
with 2 seats removed/empty. Just so happens I have the Excel file -- not
the embedded Web Component version -- for our Lance available online.
This is the Turbo T tail with 6 seats in the club seating layout. So if
you want some real world 6 seat W&B figures to play with, go to the
following link and click on the 'N3000A weight and balance spreadsheet'.

http://www.4-fs.com/lance

I've got one of these for a Cherokee 180 I used to own as well. May have
one for a Cherokee 140 from a ways back. I'll see if I can find those
too and get them online for anyone interseted in playing with the
numbers for those aircraft.

Steve

Cory:

there's an option to download the spreadsheet at the bottom. I don't
use IE either, and refuse to get the plugin.