MS Flight Sim As a Training Tool

Yes

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Sensations are a HUGE part of flying.

Perhaps they are for you. They aren't necessarily that way for
everyone.

OK. I call for a vote.

Are sensations a HUGE part of flying:

Gig 601XL - yes
Steve Foley - yes
Anthony - no

anyone else?

yes -- there's no way MSFS can provide nor produce the same tactile and
physiological feeling of air pockets, the landing "bump", turbulence,
spins, the need to land *immediately* when you have one of those
"bad sushi" episodes, seeing an F-16 along side (or these days, a
Coast Guard helicopter), and so on...

Blanche writes:

yes -- there's no way MSFS can provide nor produce the same tactile and
physiological feeling of air pockets, the landing "bump", turbulence,
spins, the need to land *immediately* when you have one of those
"bad sushi" episodes, seeing an F-16 along side (or these days, a
Coast Guard helicopter), and so on...

None of these sound worth experiencing. The sim does have advantages
in some respects.

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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:29:36 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Blanche writes:

yes -- there's no way MSFS can provide nor produce the same tactile and
physiological feeling of air pockets, the landing "bump", turbulence,
spins, the need to land *immediately* when you have one of those
"bad sushi" episodes, seeing an F-16 along side (or these days, a
Coast Guard helicopter), and so on...

None of these sound worth experiencing. The sim does have advantages
in some respects.

I took my niece's then boyfriend for a flight on her request.
he was a mad keen ms flight sim flyer.
took him out and taught him to do straight and level turns to the left
and right (it wasnt just a sit and look experience)

after the landing his comment was
"real flying is nothing like the sim"

lots of sim "flying" can replace real flying reactions and learned
experiences with sim reactions. a friend almost lost his cherokee 140
in a crosswind learning this the hard way.

microsoft flight sim has no valid place in a real flying environment.

mxsmanic deludes himself if he thinks otherwise.
Stealth Pilot
Australia

Stealth Pilot writes:

after the landing his comment was
"real flying is nothing like the sim"

Which did he prefer?

lots of sim "flying" can replace real flying reactions and learned
experiences with sim reactions.

That cannot be, if one is nothing like the other.

a friend almost lost his cherokee 140 in a crosswind learning
this the hard way.

Explain the circumstances.

microsoft flight sim has no valid place in a real flying environment.

Most people don't bring their PCs aboard the aircraft, so that's not a
problem.

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microsoft flight sim has no valid place in a real flying environment.


don't lump me in with mxsmanic, but I would take issue with that comment.
As has been pointed out in this forum many, many times, MSFS (or any of the
more realistic Flight sims) does have a very good place in real flying
environment. When I was working on my private, my CFI was amazed at my
understanding of VOR's, ADF, DME etc. All of my "learning" had come from
"flying" short cross-country trips on MSFS 98. To this day, I know most of
the VOR freq's from my "training" during my pre-flying days on the pc. And
before flying to an un-familiar area, I can easily fire up MSFS 10 and
actually get an idea of what the terrain will look like and have fun at the
same time (I fly these "practice approaches" in my FS King Air 250....I can
afford the fuel for the sim version ).

To think that you can learn to fly a plane on FS...no...can't. And yes, it
can cause you to have some very unsafe habits that don't work in the real
world. But for navigation, instrument scan, etc. I feel sorry for the
person paying $130/hr to learn the basics of those.

MHO,

jf