Cessna buyers in So. Cal. beware !

(Lennie the Lurker)
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-And please note, not one ****ing word trying to justify his dislike
-for someone issuing a warning to others that may look at the plane
-less thoroughly than Bill did.

I don't do ****ing words. I never considered ****ing a spectator sport or a
word game.

Did you really LOOK at his post, Lennie? All the bitches about the airplane
were of the "I didn't like the way it looked." Not one single, "this measured
outside of the limits set by the xyz approved data sheet."

Now the owner emailing or phoning him with threats... THAT was plain dumb and
stupid on the owner's part. Had that OWNER posted here about this idiot that
looked at his airplane and what he had done about it, I'd'a reamed the owner a
new asshole with a wire brush. What I saw here were two jerks who deserved to
run into each other.


It's not the person you don't like,
-Jim, it's him giving a warning what to look out for.

I could give a rat's hiney about the warning. The dislike was that Berle had
absolutely no factual information on which to base his rant. He didn't like the
seat rails, but didn't measure them. He didn't like the aileron ball joints but
had no idea why they were frozen. He didn't like the flap mechanisms but had no
data on which to base his complaints...yada...yada...yada...


Too many major
-repairs were not disclosed, which is dishonest in the nth degree.

What not disclosed? Did Berle ASK about major damage or major repairs on the
phone and was told a lie? Anybody above moron in this business asks that
question as the first order of business. He never said the person lied to him;
Berle was too stupid to ask the question.


A
-lot of other major work needed doing, not disclosed beforehand either.

What major work needed to be done? Quote me from Berle's post, will you? All I
saw were some rantings from a person who expected to see a show airplane for a
beater price. He got what he bargained for...and never spent a cent of money in
the process...other than gas money which he quite easily could have avoided with
the proper questions on the phone.



- WHich would equate to me selling my nine inch South Bend, then
-telling the buyer that it has been backed over with a tractor. (I
-figure I'm the sixth owner since then, and it should be running by the
-end of July, but there's no way I'd try to pass it off as anything but
-what it is.) I don't do business that way.

You got a nine inch South Bend for sale? I'm in the market.


Jim


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jim Weir wrote in message . ..


Did you really LOOK at his post, Lennie? All the bitches about the airplane
were of the "I didn't like the way it looked." Not one single, "this measured
outside of the limits set by the xyz approved data sheet."

A pilot that will fly in a plane that has that many things "He doesn't
like" can be called only a goddam fool.

He didn't like the aileron ball joints but
had no idea why they were frozen. He didn't like the flap mechanisms but had no
data on which to base his complaints...yada...yada...yada...

Anyone with the amount of experience Bill has shouldn't need data
sheets to decide for himself what is acceptable and what is not. Data
sheet be damned, if it's not right, it's not right.

Berle was too stupid to ask the question.

Sorry, but after several years of correspondence with him, that
statement is totally wrong. When I bought my 1-26 I got more solid
information from him than I did from the rest of the soaring group.


A
-lot of other major work needed doing, not disclosed beforehand either.

What major work needed to be done? Quote me from Berle's post, will you?

Flap rails, aileron ball joint, seat rails, excessive play in yoke, I
doubt that any of these are going to be cheap to fix.

All I
saw were some rantings from a person who expected to see a show airplane for a
beater price.

He stated quite clearly that that was not what he expected, but did
expect an airworthy aircraft from the owners description and answers.
Any halfway sane buyer is going to ask about any major damage, and to
my mind, replacing a wing and the nosewheel mount qualify as major.
As does any structural damage. Was the engine torn down after it was
flipped? If it caused the replacement of the prop, chances are good
that damage was also done to the engine.

You got a nine inch South Bend for sale? I'm in the market.

You're only number 25 on the list. Had guys after that since the day
I brought it home, in pieces. Still have a lot of work to do to make
it run, and then if it's not to my specs, it won't be sold. As it is
now, a POS, when I'm done it might be a running POS and require all
the experience my 44 years in machining can give to do any acceptable
work. (I didn't say respectable, just acceptable.) Until it cuts
metal, I don't know what it is.