Clear coat peeling: Suggestions?

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
We had our archer II painted in 1996, including a clearcoat. About 6 -
12 months ago the clear coat started peeling just a little, almost
exclusively on the control surfaces. (They were removed and painted
separately, so it makes sense they behaved slightly differently. Now
though, the clear coat is peeling in quite a few places, especially the
elevator and outer wing. Other the the peeling clearcoat, the paint is
in pretty good shape.
Any suggestions/recommendations for ways to 'fix' the clearcoat without
a relatively complete paint job.?? I'd like to get some good ideas
before talking to a shop.
Thanks!!
Mike Pvt/IFR PA28-181 N44979 at KRYY

I'm in the same boat with my Mooney. Every shop I go to just cringes
when they see that someone put clearcoat in an airplane. Apparently its
common for cars but generally considered quite hill-billy for airplanes
(the proper technique being to mix it in with the paint).

I don't think you'll find any major paint manufacturer that recommends
mixing the clear coat with the color coat. Paint systems are either single
stage (no clear coat) or two stage, in which the second "stage" is a clear
coat.

However, the good news is that after the initial horror of the peeling,
it will start to look much, much better. Once the clear coat is gone
you are left with nice paint.

The clear coat provides UV protection and gloss. On two stage systems, the
color coat doesn't hold up well once the clear peels off.


-Robert

KB

Kyle Boatright wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
I don't think you'll find any major paint manufacturer that recommends
mixing the clear coat with the color coat. Paint systems are either single
stage (no clear coat) or two stage, in which the second "stage" is a clear
coat.

Correct, clear cost is the wrong product to use on aircraft, according
to the paint shops I've spoken too. Its considered quiet hill-billy.

Kyle Boatright wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
I don't think you'll find any major paint manufacturer that recommends
mixing the clear coat with the color coat. Paint systems are either single
stage (no clear coat) or two stage, in which the second "stage" is a clear
coat.

Correct, clear cost is the wrong product to use on aircraft, according
to the paint shops I've spoken too. Its considered quiet hill-billy.

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
We had our archer II painted in 1996, including a clearcoat. About 6 -
12 months ago the clear coat started peeling just a little, almost
exclusively on the control surfaces. (They were removed and painted
separately, so it makes sense they behaved slightly differently. Now
though, the clear coat is peeling in quite a few places, especially the
elevator and outer wing. Other the the peeling clearcoat, the paint is
in pretty good shape.
Any suggestions/recommendations for ways to 'fix' the clearcoat without
a relatively complete paint job.?? I'd like to get some good ideas
before talking to a shop.
Thanks!!
Mike Pvt/IFR PA28-181 N44979 at KRYY

I'm in the same boat with my Mooney. Every shop I go to just cringes
when they see that someone put clearcoat in an airplane. Apparently its
common for cars but generally considered quite hill-billy for airplanes
(the proper technique being to mix it in with the paint).

I don't think you'll find any major paint manufacturer that recommends
mixing the clear coat with the color coat. Paint systems are either
single stage (no clear coat) or two stage, in which the second "stage" is
a clear coat.

House of Kolor recommends doing just that. It provides a finish between a
single and two stage job.

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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House of Kolor recommends doing just that. It provides a finish between a
single and two stage job.

Just curious, is this just for darks or all colors?

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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House of Kolor recommends doing just that. It provides a finish between
a
single and two stage job.

Just curious, is this just for darks or all colors?

-Robert

I only have experience with black for which they recommend up to 50 percent
clear in the last coat for added depth, gloss and color.

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..
House of Kolor recommends doing just that. It provides a finish between
a
single and two stage job.

Just curious, is this just for darks or all colors?

-Robert

I only have experience with black for which they recommend up to 50 percent
clear in the last coat for added depth, gloss and color.

Ok, that may be true. The shop I was dealing with was looking at a
plane with white paint and clearcoat. The paint manager was just
shaking his head say someone had gone to the "I'll paint any car for
$99.95" guy.

-Robert

Dave Stadt wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
We had our archer II painted in 1996, including a clearcoat. About 6 -
12 months ago the clear coat started peeling just a little, almost
exclusively on the control surfaces. (They were removed and painted
separately, so it makes sense they behaved slightly differently. Now
though, the clear coat is peeling in quite a few places, especially the
elevator and outer wing. Other the the peeling clearcoat, the paint is
in pretty good shape.
Any suggestions/recommendations for ways to 'fix' the clearcoat without
a relatively complete paint job.?? I'd like to get some good ideas
before talking to a shop.
Thanks!!
Mike Pvt/IFR PA28-181 N44979 at KRYY
I'm in the same boat with my Mooney. Every shop I go to just cringes
when they see that someone put clearcoat in an airplane. Apparently its
common for cars but generally considered quite hill-billy for airplanes
(the proper technique being to mix it in with the paint).
I don't think you'll find any major paint manufacturer that recommends
mixing the clear coat with the color coat. Paint systems are either
single stage (no clear coat) or two stage, in which the second "stage" is
a clear coat.

House of Kolor recommends doing just that. It provides a finish between a
single and two stage job.




First, thanks for all the comments/info/suggestions....

I went back in our records to see what kind of paint they used, but it
was not on the workorder or receipt. I think it was to be JetGlow (?).
I seem to remember them saying it was a "all-in-one" product, with
color and clear coats going on at one time, but I can't imagine the
clear peeling like this if it was a "one step".
So the consensus is that there is no easy ("inexpensive") fix and the
only thing to do is strip and repaint...
Oh, the plane is tied down, no hanger, and is located just outside of
Atlanta, so the conditions are pretty harsh... not as bad as Florida,
but pretty tough on paint, I'm sure.

Thanks
Mike

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"Mike" bellsouth.net@mhammoc wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
We had our archer II painted in 1996, including a clearcoat. About
6 -
12 months ago the clear coat started peeling just a little, almost
exclusively on the control surfaces. (They were removed and painted
separately, so it makes sense they behaved slightly differently. Now
though, the clear coat is peeling in quite a few places, especially
the
elevator and outer wing. Other the the peeling clearcoat, the paint
is
in pretty good shape.
Any suggestions/recommendations for ways to 'fix' the clearcoat
without
a relatively complete paint job.?? I'd like to get some good ideas
before talking to a shop.
Thanks!!
Mike Pvt/IFR PA28-181 N44979 at KRYY
I'm in the same boat with my Mooney. Every shop I go to just cringes
when they see that someone put clearcoat in an airplane. Apparently its
common for cars but generally considered quite hill-billy for airplanes
(the proper technique being to mix it in with the paint).
I don't think you'll find any major paint manufacturer that recommends
mixing the clear coat with the color coat. Paint systems are either
single stage (no clear coat) or two stage, in which the second "stage"
is a clear coat.

House of Kolor recommends doing just that. It provides a finish between
a single and two stage job.




First, thanks for all the comments/info/suggestions....

I went back in our records to see what kind of paint they used, but it was
not on the workorder or receipt. I think it was to be JetGlow (?). I seem
to remember them saying it was a "all-in-one" product, with color and
clear coats going on at one time, but I can't imagine the clear peeling
like this if it was a "one step".
So the consensus is that there is no easy ("inexpensive") fix and the only
thing to do is strip and repaint...
Oh, the plane is tied down, no hanger, and is located just outside of
Atlanta, so the conditions are pretty harsh... not as bad as Florida, but
pretty tough on paint, I'm sure.

Thanks
Mike

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Some paints have very stringent recoat times which if not followed will
cause loss of adhesion. One I am familiar with requires a wait of at least
one hour but no more than three hours. The 2 hour window can be hard to
meet if the paint job is not planned extremely well.

Mike wrote:
Dave Stadt wrote:
So the consensus is that there is no easy ("inexpensive") fix and the
only thing to do is strip and repaint...
Oh, the plane is tied down, no hanger, and is located just outside of
Atlanta, so the conditions are pretty harsh... not as bad as Florida,
but pretty tough on paint, I'm sure.

Or can you do what I did, ignore it (for me it was just one of the
wingtrip stripes though). About a year later the clearcoat is gone and
it looks great again.

-Robert