Out of date charts on Airnav

Mxsmanic wrote:
Gary writes:

No, you aren't.

Yes, I am.


Only if you are playing with your simulator on a laptop, aboard a
commercial flight. If you are playing with your simulator while
sitting on the ground, you aren't in flight. You are only pretending
to be.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

You would be wrong again. If there were a security issue, it
would have been reported to them and they would have either a) taken
the whole thing down, or b) mentioned that there was a security issue
and have fixed it.

A security issue on the client system was what I had in mind.

Since neither has happened, your hypothesis, like your logic,
is flawed.

I suggest you ask for clarification before drawing conclusions. It
saves time and face.

Why should I have to ask you for clarifications? You're the one
making the statement, and therefore should have your facts lined up to
support your claim. It isn't up to us to prove you wrong; you have to
prove yourself right. You failed to back up your claim. Not my problem.

There has never been a virus created in Linux.

Never is a strong word.

Never is a strong, solid word. Google around for it; over the
past 16 years, there has not been one virus targeted for the Linux
platform.

If you used it, you would have known that.

I run UNIX, the operating system that Linux was intended to imitate.
I have had worm issues with UNIX.

Worms are not, nor have ever been, a virus. If you've used
Unix, and admin such a machine, you would know that as well.

Next time, add some seasonings to your foot.
It'll taste better in your mouth.

I don't understand this reference.

Open mouth. Insert foot. Repeat, as you've done that many times
in this newsgroup.

I never said you didn't need charts in the aircraft.

I never said that I didn't plan flights in advance.

But the makings of a good pilot start at the preplanning stage. as PIC, you
should know where you are going, how to get there, what charts to use,
and how to fly them. If you don't, and you are looking for the charts
inflight because you don't have them, you're screwed.

Yes.

****poor planning on your part should not and does not
constitute an emergency on ATC's part.

Anything that endangers your flight or other flights is a potential
emergency, irrespective of its cause.

Agreed. ****poor planning, including lack of charts for the
area you are flying in, especially midflight is an emergency. In this
case, that emergency could have been entirely avoided, if you had your
charts prior to departing, let alone stepping into the cockpit.

YOU are PIC. YOU are responsible
for being prepared, not anyone else. If you can't, don't fly.

I'm aware of this, but thank you for pointing it out.

Good. You actually may be learning something.

True, plans can change. But that does not mean that you should
be totally void of charts, which you claimed to have been, as you had
said it would be too late to look them up as you would already be en
route.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning.

Nope.. I was wrong.

Okay.. I guess I have to play dumb and put it simple for you.
Don't leave; don't walk towards a plane; do not even breathe in the
direction of an airplane until you have the charts on hand for where
you're departing from, and where you are arriving at. Want a good
reason? he

http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index....ic,2147.0.html

You have to be logged in to hear the clip, but that is a damn
good reason to have those with you prior to doing a damn thing.
The Dilbert Rule is definitely starting to apply to you.

I'm not familiar with the Dilbert Rule. Do you have a FAR reference?

I have a Dilbert reference. To quote Dogbert, which I should
take his advice now:

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drop you down to their
level, and beat you with experience."

It would be impossible for you to get a pilot's
license here. You don't have the makings of one, nor the calibre to be
one.

I'm not sure where "here" is, but I suspect I'd be an excellent pilot.

See above. You don't have the calibre for it. Stick to driving.
Better yet, take the bus. It'll be safer for the rest of us.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Okay.. I guess I have to play dumb ...

Well done!

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drop you down to their
level, and beat you with experience."

I have no quarrel with that.

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Gary writes:

Only if you are playing with your simulator on a laptop, aboard a
commercial flight. If you are playing with your simulator while
sitting on the ground, you aren't in flight. You are only pretending
to be.

I think that depends on the definition of flight.

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Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Then it is too late. You should ALWAYS (sim and real world) do
your chartfinding and flight planning BEFORE you jump in the plane.
All of that is on the ground.

Then why do you need charts in the aircraft?

Is this a serious question, or are you "calling his bluff"? Do you really
think that planning before the flight somehow obviates the need to carry
the charts on which you've planned?

Plans can change, also.

Yet another good reason to carry the charts with you. Even so, good flight
planning would incorporate at least some of the likely
changes/alternatives to one's original intention.

Neil

Neil Gould writes:

Is this a serious question, or are you "calling his bluff"?

It is a serious question.

Do you really think that planning before the flight somehow
obviates the need to carry the charts on which you've planned?

Someone seemed to wish to imply that; I found that puzzling and tried
to verify.

Yet another good reason to carry the charts with you. Even so, good flight
planning would incorporate at least some of the likely
changes/alternatives to one's original intention.

Yes.

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