Libelle Camelbak stowage

Gav Goudie wrote:
Why dont you just put it behind your head like everyone
else?!

As I said at the start, I'd seen somebody else claim he did this and I
want to know how, because there are no lashing points to prevent
anything placed there to get amongst the rudder pedals or disapear under
the pan during a winch launch. That doesn't mean I'd do it: I'm allergic
to loose stuff getting to where it shouldn't be.

I have a spar-top bag that will take the Camelbak and a fleece but
little else: some place to put the canopy cover would be nice too.

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind your head?


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept nearly horizontal.
When I put it in the plane I route the tube outside the cockpit, and
after I'm in I route it over my shoulder and then under my shoulder
harness. Once (but only once) I got out and left the tube dangling on
the seat. I discovered after I'd gotten in again that it takes a long
time for your pants and underpants to dry out... grin

-John

Martin Gregorie wrote:

Ouch. But, surely that means putting the Camelbak through the hatch
behind the spars? That makes my teeth itch: there are far too many
control runs back there for it to get tangled up with.

(from another message)

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind your head?

jcarlyle wrote:
I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

Nice. The only trouble is that I carefully trimmed the straps off the
Camelbak to stop them tangling round things they shouldn't ought to.
Back then I was flying the club's Pegase and the Camelbak sat nicely
behind the adjustable seat back. I've wondered about doing the same in
the Libelle: its only a 1.5 litre Camelbak so it may be possible to sit
it in behind the top of the seat.

I take the points made about being clouted round the ears by the water
supply: actually, a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs, not 8. My Camelbak is
only 1.5 kg (3.5 lbs but still.... My spar-top bag clips onto the
grunging bar studs so it may restrain a Camelbak that's on the inside.
That certainly needs investigation.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept nearly horizontal.

I thought that might be the case. BTW, I've sat on the valve too when it
got down between me and the side of the seat pan.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

Martin Gregorie wrote:
actually, a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs, not 8.

That depend on which side of the pond you are on. Despite the American
proclivity for having everything oversize, their gallon is a wimp of a
portion as are their pints of beer.


Andy

Andy wrote:
Martin Gregorie wrote:
actually, a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs, not 8.

That depend on which side of the pond you are on. Despite the American
proclivity for having everything oversize, their gallon is a wimp of a
portion as are their pints of beer.


Andy

Roger that. Explains how that Air Canada 767 got into trouble,
doesn't it :-)

Maybe it ought to be Gaylon or Galoun vs. Gallon.

No problem - just measure everything in ounces! The American pint is 16
ounces, the British pint is 20 ounces, etc., etc. Who needs Gaylon,
Galoun, Gallons, Imperial or otherwise? grin OK, OK, for the purists
the Imperial fluid ounce is 1.04 American fluid ounces - close enough
for government work.

On the subject of beer, I'm a Yank but after spending 8 plus years in
Britain I've thoroughly converted to the viewpoint that what we Yanks
call beer should be put back into the horse! Except for Yuengling,
Saranac, or River Horse, of course....YMMV

-John


Papa3 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Martin Gregorie wrote:
actually, a gallon of water weighs 10 lbs, not 8.

That depend on which side of the pond you are on. Despite the American
proclivity for having everything oversize, their gallon is a wimp of a
portion as are their pints of beer.


Andy

Roger that. Explains how that Air Canada 767 got into trouble,
doesn't it :-)

Maybe it ought to be Gaylon or Galoun vs. Gallon.

jcarlyle wrote:
On the subject of beer, I'm a Yank but after spending 8 plus years in
Britain I've thoroughly converted to the viewpoint that what we Yanks
call beer should be put back into the horse! Except for Yuengling,
Saranac, or River Horse, of course....YMMV

There are honourable exceptions. Sierra Pale Ale is quite drinkable
(though why it should be sold over here is a mystery), and if you're at
Kitty Hawk the theres an E-ball bitter at the "Outer Banks Brewing
Station" that's most acceptable.



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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

jcarlyle wrote:
I put the Camelbak just in back of my head, in front of the spars,
wrapping its harness around the spar safety pins to keep it secure.
Nothing else is there except for the battery, so there's no need to
fret about fouling flight controls.

My Camelbak will indeed leak if the tube isn't kept nearly horizontal.
When I put it in the plane I route the tube outside the cockpit, and
after I'm in I route it over my shoulder and then under my shoulder
harness. Once (but only once) I got out and left the tube dangling on
the seat. I discovered after I'd gotten in again that it takes a long
time for your pants and underpants to dry out... grin

-John

Martin Gregorie wrote:

Ouch. But, surely that means putting the Camelbak through the hatch
behind the spars? That makes my teeth itch: there are far too many
control runs back there for it to get tangled up with.

(from another message)

Is there an issue with the Camelbak dribbling down your neck or on your
pants (if you leave the tube dangling) if its behind your head?


Also not applicable to Libelle as I fly a Std. Cirrus.

My solution was to make up a carbon fibre plate that holds my radio speaker, and
keeps stuff on the shelf behind my head. I put my bag behind this but offset so
that in the event of large decelleration forces being applied the CG of the bag
will be on the port side of the plate. Theory is that any liquid filled
projectile will pass a centimetre or so to the left of my ear.

Strangely my cheap Raleigh cycling bag does not leak with the tube significantly
lower than the bag.