Cowardice in Battle

Give Art a little credit. He may be trying to tell y'all who haven't
been there what it's like.
If you haven't been there - haven't realized that in just a few more
seconds there will be no more you - I say you haven't a clue. Nor have
you experienced after what you saw coming didn't materialize what a
wonderful thing it is to be alive and how beautiful the earth is.
As for heroism - the person who is internally terrified and stoically
goes out and risks life again and again is far more heroic that the
one (like me) who knew that skill and experience would get him through
and only bad luck would kill him. And probability you can't argue
with, so why bother?
Walt BJ

"Walt BJ" wrote
Give Art a little credit. He may be trying to tell y'all who haven't
been there what it's like.
If you haven't been there - haven't realized that in just a few more
seconds there will be no more you - I say you haven't a clue. Nor have
you experienced after what you saw coming didn't materialize what a
wonderful thing it is to be alive and how beautiful the earth is.
As for heroism - the person who is internally terrified and stoically
goes out and risks life again and again is far more heroic that the
one (like me) who knew that skill and experience would get him through
and only bad luck would kill him. And probability you can't argue
with, so why bother?

We had a saying: "what happens TDY, stays TDY." What that means is
we don't need to hear about it. Everything that can possibly happen in
war, including accidents, murder, rape, and mayhem, are best left at the
port of arrival. i.e., we don't care.

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
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"Walt BJ" wrote

We had a saying: "what happens TDY, stays TDY." What that means is
we don't need to hear about it. Everything that can possibly happen in
war, including accidents, murder, rape, and mayhem, are best left at the
port of arrival. i.e., we don't care.

Everybody has cute sayings. For example, there's one that goes more or less
that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and those who are
intellectually uninquisitive are prime candidates to be exposed to history's
unhappy lessons over and over again. IOW, if you don't care, it's at your own
peril. You'll keep on getting your ass kicked until you learn not to bend over
when the kicker's around.

George Z.

Subject: Cowardice in Battle
From: "Gooneybird" am
Date: 7/3/03 9:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


"S. Sampson" wrote in message
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"Walt BJ" wrote

We had a saying: "what happens TDY, stays TDY." What that means is
we don't need to hear about it. Everything that can possibly happen in
war, including accidents, murder, rape, and mayhem, are best left at the
port of arrival. i.e., we don't care.

Everybody has cute sayings. For example, there's one that goes more or less
that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and those who are
intellectually uninquisitive are prime candidates to be exposed to history's
unhappy lessons over and over again. IOW, if you don't care, it's at your
own
peril. You'll keep on getting your ass kicked until you learn not to bend
over
when the kicker's around.

George Z.

Memories force you to care. There isn't a single day day in 60 years that I
haven't thought about the war. Maybe for just an instant, a flash of memory
that keeps repeating. But the memories are always there And will never go away.
Those who have no memories weren't there.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote:


Memories force you to care. There isn't a single day day in 60 years that I
haven't thought about the war. Maybe for just an instant, a flash of memory
that keeps repeating. But the memories are always there And will never go away.
Those who have no memories weren't there.


Arthur Kramer

Art, this is a good example of what we've been trying to tell
you. What earthly good is that last sentence of yours there?...It
serves only to irritate...

To place yourself somehow 'above' us unwashed peasants.

Much better to have left it out, much better. Can't you see
that?.
--

-Gord.

Subject: Cowardice in Battle
From: "Gord Beaman" )
Date: 7/4/03 9:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Memories force you to care. There isn't a single day day in 60 years that I
haven't thought about the war. Maybe for just an instant, a flash of memory
that keeps repeating. But the memories are always there And will never go
away.
Those who have no memories weren't there.


Arthur Kramer

Art, this is a good example of what we've been trying to tell
you. What earthly good is that last sentence of yours there?...It
serves only to irritate...

To place yourself somehow 'above' us unwashed peasants.

Much better to have left it out, much better. Can't you see
that?.
--

-Gord.


My point was the persistance of memory, nothing else. I am not responsible for
the sensitivity of thoise who were not there. And I refuse to write my thoughts
based on political correctness. If there are those who are senssitive about not
having served, that in no way concerns me.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

Subject: Cowardice in Battle

"S. Sampson" wrote in message
Everybody has cute sayings. For example, there's one that goes more or
less that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and those who
are intellectually uninquisitive are prime candidates to be exposed to
history's unhappy lessons over and over again. IOW, if you don't care,
it's at your own peril. You'll keep on getting your ass kicked until you
learn not to bend over when the kicker's around.

Memories force you to care. There isn't a single day day in 60 years that
I haven't thought about the war. Maybe for just an instant, a flash of
memory that keeps repeating. But the memories are always there And will
never go away. Those who have no memories weren't there.


Appears to me that someone totally there then, is not totally here now.

Extremely sad.

ronh

Give Art a little credit. He may be trying to tell y'all who haven't
been there what it's like.
If you haven't been there - haven't realized that in just a few more
seconds there will be no more you - I say you haven't a clue. Nor have
you experienced after what you saw coming didn't materialize what a
wonderful thing it is to be alive and how beautiful the earth is.
As for heroism - the person who is internally terrified and stoically
goes out and risks life again and again is far more heroic that the
one (like me) who knew that skill and experience would get him through
and only bad luck would kill him. And probability you can't argue
with, so why bother?
Walt BJ

Agreed, I was terrified in my first action and I was just as terrified in my
last. It just never occurred to me to say no. I'm not a hero by any stretch of
the imagination, but I met a few both when I was Army and when I was Air Force
who were heroes by any definition.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired