Preparing for a XC : Bathroom Breaks

There was also the story of the ferry pilot, taking a Pawnee
to South America. He drank a bottle of wine and then used
the bottle for relief. At the next border, the customs
inspector was demanding some bribe until he saw the wine
bottle. Confiscated it and let the pilot go. The pilot
departed post-haste.



"John Clear" wrote in message
...
| In article
.com,
| Paul kgyy wrote:
|
| It would be nice if somebody in this NG would buy one of
each type of
| container, drink a lot and then go up for 5 hours with a
companion of
| opposite sex and give us all a Pirep on available
technologies...
|
|
| There was a hilarious article in one of the aviation
magazines some
| years ago with two big guys in a 152 testing the various
products.
| I remember the line about swooping low over a lake for
inspiration....
|
| John
| --
| John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/
|

RomeoMike writes:

Well, you may get thirsty before dehydrating while playing with your joy
stick, but people who work and play in hot climates know that that is
not true.

I was born and raised in a desert. You get thirsty when you get
dehydrated; it is an extremely reliable indicator of dehydration.

Physiologists know that dehydration can precede thirst.

Only under very unusual circumstances of rapid water loss, which are
not likely to ever occur while flying a general aviation aircraft.
Essentially, you have to be vomiting, urinating, experiencing
diarrhea, or perspiring profusely to dehydrate that rapidly. None of
these is very probable in an aviation context.

The military knows it in training troops. Pro sports teams know it. Serious
hikers know it.

None of them are pilot GA aircraft, however, and there is no
comparison. You're no more likely to dehydrate significantly in an
aircraft than in a car.

All plan appropriate water consumption based on planned
fluid losses, not thirst.

Only when TBW losses are expected to be extremely rapid. That does
not apply to general aviation.

You also imply in another post in this thread
that the kidneys won't make urine if one is dehydrated:

They will concentrate as much as they can. If dehydration is extreme,
however, they will go into acute renal failure. Again, however, this
is never likely to occur in an aviation context.

If it burns when you urinate, that's one sign that you are seriously
dehydrated. A simple test is to make sure your bladder fills every
3-5 hours, and check to make sure that your urine is not brightly
colored. If it is lightly colored and you urinate at least with this
frequency, it's unlikely that you are significantly dehydrated.

That's not so either, unless you're going into shock.

It's normal physiology.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

That has the inherent danger of dehydration.

Under normal conditions, there is very little danger of dehydration
simply from abstaining from drink for a few hours.

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Grumman-581 writes:

And an autopilot so that the pilot could get up to go to the toilet...

The Boeing Business Jet has both. However, it requires two pilots.

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And remember not to key the mike when you ask your copilot to pass the bag.

LOL - also note that if you're IFR, use of the device will
automatically trigger a course change request from ATC.

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:50:53 +0000, in
, Allen wrote:
A cup is 8 fluid ounces. A glass is whatever the manufacturer wants it to
be.

Correct... A "cup" is a unit of measure... A glass is just an arbitrarily
sized container...

I remember bitching about my expresso maker when it claimed that it made 6
cups... It made 2 at best and I'm not even sure they were a full 8 ounces...

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote

I expect he was ****ed.

I've always said that it is better to be ****ed off, than ****ed on. That
just about proves it! g
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Jim in NC

Mxsmanic wrote:
RomeoMike writes:

Well, you may get thirsty before dehydrating while playing with your joy
stick, but people who work and play in hot climates know that that is
not true.

I was born and raised in a desert. You get thirsty when you get
dehydrated; it is an extremely reliable indicator of dehydration.

Physiologists know that dehydration can precede thirst.

Only under very unusual circumstances of rapid water loss, which are
not likely to ever occur while flying a general aviation aircraft.
Essentially, you have to be vomiting, urinating, experiencing
diarrhea, or perspiring profusely to dehydrate that rapidly. None of
these is very probable in an aviation context.

The military knows it in training troops. Pro sports teams know it. Serious
hikers know it.

None of them are pilot GA aircraft, however, and there is no
comparison. You're no more likely to dehydrate significantly in an
aircraft than in a car.

All plan appropriate water consumption based on planned
fluid losses, not thirst.

Only when TBW losses are expected to be extremely rapid. That does
not apply to general aviation.

You also imply in another post in this thread
that the kidneys won't make urine if one is dehydrated:

They will concentrate as much as they can. If dehydration is extreme,
however, they will go into acute renal failure. Again, however, this
is never likely to occur in an aviation context.

If it burns when you urinate, that's one sign that you are seriously
dehydrated. A simple test is to make sure your bladder fills every
3-5 hours, and check to make sure that your urine is not brightly
colored. If it is lightly colored and you urinate at least with this
frequency, it's unlikely that you are significantly dehydrated.

That's not so either, unless you're going into shock.

It's normal physiology.

Well, it's normal that normal physiology is normal, but you don't know
what that normal is.
I'm not going to address your ignorance further for the same reasons
that others have given up on you. I only responded to suggest to anyone
interested in the topic that they not take those statements of yours
that I quoted as factual. They should go read an authoritative source
about a topic that can be vitally important to some. As for you, who has
never even had a flying lesson let alone piloted a plane, you even have
the hubris to suggest to an ex-fighter pilot how to recover from a
stall. LOL

Jim Macklin wrote:

Little John
Item Number: 6462A
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A convenient, spill-proof portable urinal that can also be
used for motion sickness. Cap screws on tightly to prevent
spills. Constructed of durable plastic and is reusable. Used
in hospitals for years. Holds 32 oz. and can be used with
the Lady J Adapter (sold separately).

The least expensive, resuable relief bottle I have found is a Rubbermaid
2-liter decanter with screw on lid. It has the largest opening of any
container short of a paint can.

On Jan 25, 11:01 am, "Longworth" wrote:
On Jan 24, 8:33 pm, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote:

.... Dehydration gives no warning and can seriously degrade your pilot skills just
when you need them most. Drink normally and use piddle packs to extend
your range if you really don't want to land. Vaughn,
I agree. Here is the link to this Plane & Pilot magazine article:

" Flying High & Dry- Why the FAA has added pilot dehydration to the
list of flight hazards"

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/cont.../high_dry.html
orhttp://tinyurl.com/2ge2c2

I'm quoting some important facts below
" Dehydration also contributes to fuzzy thinking, poor
decision-making, dizziness and muscle fatigue"
"Dehydration symptoms go beyond thirst"

We drink nothing but water several hours before flying. A visit
to the bathroom then the water cooler is part of our preflight
activity. A water bottle is a must-have item for all flights. For
long cross-country flights, we bring along snacks and of course the
little red jug & piddle packs to extend our range when needed.


This link has some information as seen from the soaring community.

http://w3.gwis.com/~mks/safety.htm#D...ND%20FA TIGUE


Ben Jeffrey