Some flying vids I made...

On Jan 28, 10:07 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
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We have seen A LOT of stupid pilot tricks, posted here. People rolling
C150's, flying a landings to IMC minimums without any IFR ticket, people
flying without a medical in many years, and posting it all, and proud of it.
Much more of these antics, and worse.

We don't know a thing about you. You could very well have been one of them,
endangering life and limb, then posting about it.

Jim,

I've been posting on this newsgroup off and on for longer than most
people here. Not always the same email, but I've been on here since
around 1996. Even with my current email, this was not my first post
on here. This goes back to 2005 with plenty of posts to indicate I am
a real pilot. Go ahead and check, it takes all of 10 secs through
google groups. I've even met other members on here in person.

Threatening him? Why are you saying that? I wanted to talk to him
and ask him why he out of the blue slandered me and posted my contact
info (my physical address). If I wanted to threated him I'd threaten
to post his address and phone number. I have them, but I'm absolutely
NOT going to post them. It is ethically wrong to do so.

All I did was post some video I made of my flight last month. My
brother took the video while I was on an IFR flight plan, in an IFR
certified airplane, talking to ATC, within 5 ft of my assigned
altitude, and exactly on course.

BTW, after I emailed Jon with a polite email requesting an apology, he
replied with a bunch of similar excuses about how he thought "we had
another MXMANIC" on our hands and that he'd only looked up my name in
a publicly available database. I guess he forgot about the part where
he slandered me and posted my contact info on here as well.

Just because it's public does not make it ok to post. I could obtain
somebodys yearly income, what they owe on their house, their social
(if I tried hard enough), etc. Does that make it ok to post them out
here?

I haven't done a damn thing wrong and I don't see how you can defend
him.

wrote in message oups.com...
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: Threatening him? Why are you saying that? I wanted to talk to him
: and ask him why he out of the blue slandered me and posted my contact
: info (my physical address). If I wanted to threated him I'd threaten
: to post his address and phone number. I have them, but I'm absolutely
: NOT going to post them. It is ethically wrong to do so.
:

You use your 'real' name in your e-mail address AND you opted to allow the FAA to put your full address online.

Public information all. Someone just consolidated it here online for the newsgroup junkies to see. Not any information
that couldn't have been found anyway...

Still a lame thing to do...

Hoo boy - if you gents are trying to get Kraus sued for libel, in my
opinion you are using excellent tactics by attacking Trask and getting his
temper up. As I read it, Kraus unequivocally stated Trask committed several
crimes ("he broke a few FAR's"). It is my understanding that while personal
insults are generally deemed opinion and therefore not libelous, making
false factual claims with the intent to damage a person's reputation is
libel.

Perhaps if Kraus makes a public retraction and/or apology then this can be
settled and the lawyers will have to find some other way to make their
mortgage payments.

On Jan 29, 6:18 pm, Jim Logajan wrote:

Perhaps if Kraus makes a public retraction and/or apology then this can be
settled and the lawyers will have to find some other way to make their
mortgage payments.

As much as I would appreciate a retraction and public apology by Mr.
Kraus, it ain't gonna happen - as he has so aggressively notified me
during our email correspondence. But let me just make it clear right
now, I'm not going after Kraus legally or otherwise. Kraus has done
plenty of damage to himself already, and I've done everything by the
book with my videos - that's why they're still up and will stay up.
But anybody that's been around aviation and the internet probably
knows (or needs to know) about Avweb and Arthur Wolk. I have my own
opinions about that situation, but the point is if you think you can
just write unsubstantiated personal attacks against somebody on a
forum and get away with it, you could be in for quite a surprise.

I don't feel like I've been personally attacked by this group. I
think most of the people here are good people and I enjoy the
conversations. I'll be sticking around for awhile, and hopefully I'll
have some more videos to share soon. Thanks,

Sam

("Jim Logajan" wrote)
Perhaps if Kraus makes a public retraction and/or apology then this can be
settled and the lawyers will have to find some other way to make their
mortgage payments.


His lawyer is drafting the thing right now...


Montblack

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:18:32 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

As I read it, Kraus unequivocally stated Trask committed several
crimes ("he broke a few FAR's").

Wouldn't those be better characterized as 'violations?'

wrote

I've been posting on this newsgroup off and on for longer than most
people here. Not always the same email, but I've been on here since
around 1996. Even with my current email, this was not my first post
on here. This goes back to 2005 with plenty of posts to indicate I am
a real pilot. Go ahead and check, it takes all of 10 secs through
google groups. I've even met other members on here in person.

I didn't recognize you, by e-mail address, or by sig line. (since you don't
have one)

Perhaps you should add a easily reconizeable sig line, that you will be
recognized by, no mater the sending addy...

Threatening him? Why are you saying that?

You wrote:

Email me and let's talk. I recommend you do so, as I am certainly
going to track you through your blog and have a chat with you.

Sure sounds threatening, to me. "recommend you do so?" Recommend, or what,
get an *ss beating? "Track," as in find out where he lives, so you can go
give him an *ss beating? "Chat," as in what, give him an *ss beating?

Sorry, but it is all bully talk, to me.

I haven't done a damn thing wrong and I don't see how you can defend
him.

Hold the phone. I gave an explanation, as to why he could make a mistake,
like that. It was a mistake, and a serious breech of etiquette. As to what
you did wrong, I guess it is a matter of perspective. I'm sure you believe
you did nothing wrong, but that is not my view.

Did you read this following line that _I_ posted?

Me: Making that kind of threat is as unacceptable of a behavior, as was him
posting all of your info.

See? I compared your threats (serious, in my eyes) with him posting your
info. BOTH bad things, IMHO. I did NOT support him.

I have to admit, the first thing I thought as I watched the video, and
before the nasty exchanges was, "I wonder if this guy was filed IFR, or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

I sure did not remember you, and if I had, I wouldn't remember if you were
rated. "I" would not have posted anything, in rebuttal, and would not have
posted your info.

Can I make a suggestion, to you, and any other people showing flying of an
IFR or unusual or risky type?

Diffuse the possible criticisms by the pessimistic, by including in the
title something like, "pretty puffy clouds on enjoyable IFR flight," or "Fun
flight of rolls and loops, done by the book." You get the idea. If not all
in the title, a disclaimer in the text would certainly not be overkill, when
you think of all the other misinformation that has been going on around
here, lately.

A little up-front honesty and full information would be a breath of fresh
air.

I'm done with this subject, for now. Go on with it if you must, but I have
spoken my peace.

My intent was to not defend, but in a way, point out how that trolls damage
the atmosphere of a group. Almost like the terrorist destroys our freedom,
by increasing paranoia.

The damage done by MX and by other trolls is pervasive, and real. Witness
all of this, as an example of the damage done.

Blue skies to you, (and IFR too, when you want to!) g
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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You wrote:

Email me and let's talk. I recommend you do so, as I am certainly
going to track you through your blog and have a chat with you.

Sure sounds threatening, to me.

Keee'rist, you're dumber than a bag of rocks yourself!!

On Jan 29, 8:31 pm, "Morgans" wrote:

See? I compared your threats (serious, in my eyes) with him posting your
info. BOTH bad things, IMHO. I did NOT support him.

I have to admit, the first thing I thought as I watched the video, and
before the nasty exchanges was, "I wonder if this guy was filed IFR, or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.


Jim,

I never made any physical threats against him. Just because you are
reading into something and making your own intrepretations about it
doesn't make it so. Serious in your eyes? Well that's your own
problem. I never made a threat, I said I will be talking (or
chatting) to him - which I did. We exchanged several emails and I
never made any threats there either. Ask your buddy Kraus. He called
me names during our email exchange, but I was polite yet firm
regarding my feelings on what he did. If he says otherwise I will
gladly send you or anybody else an email dump to see for yourself.

I've seen a lot of IMC videos, and I can't say the same thought
crosses my mind regarding illegal IFR flying. In fact, out of
probably hundreds of videos I've seen on youtube and flightlevel350, I
can't recall seeing anybody flying around in IMC illegaly. Perhaps
you have 1-2 examples, but I bet you don't have that many. I have
seen other stupid antics on some vids, but they speak for themselves
and are few in number. Really I think it's silly to have to make a
disclaimer on some posted videos. What next? Do we have to tell you
we have parachutes on during so acro vids? Or maybe tell you we got a
wx briefing from FSS? It all reeks of ineffective political
correctness.

Though I've been on this newsgroup by far the longest, I am also on
several other different forums, including AOPA, studentpilot.com,
flightinfo.com, and jetcareers.com. I find myself MUCH more active on
those groups due to what I perceive as an "old boys club" mentality
here. I've always had the feeling here that certain people feel like
this is their personal newsgroup. It's not, it is a public,
unmoderated newsgroup. If you don't like that, go make up your own.
Otherwise just deal with the fact that people may post some videos
without disclaimers, mxmanic will ask questions about 747 hydraulics
on his simulator, and skylune will rant about Boyer. And I do not
have a sig because I use google groups.

That said, I have always enjoyed this newsgroup and most of the people
that post. Every place has its problems, but the good outweighs the
bad here (most of the time anyway).

Sam

On 30 Jan 2007 07:09:23 -0800, wrote in
.com:

Just because you are reading into something and making your
own intrepretations about it doesn't make it so.

That is an astute observation. It could equally be said of your
inference of Mr. Kraus's initial comment, and many others I have
observed over the years.

It's surprising how personal viewpoint, sensitivities and
defensiveness shape our perspectives, and comprehension of the
authors' intended meaning. Personally, I strive to overcome such
personal bias by overlooking any perceived malice that lacks a
concrete and undeniably apparent intent to offend. But, alas, I am
human too....

Responding cordially to questionable comments permits the author of
them to elaborate on their viewpoint, and remove some of the doubt in
subsequent follow up articles.

Mr McNicoll was notorious for pursuing this 'give 'em enough rope'
rhetorical device to the point of absurdity. But it was effective in
providing a forum for the offending author to dig his hole deeper and
deeper without resorting to blatant confrontation.