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Old February 8th 07, 09:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?
Radar


While true, radar doesn't seem up to the task for a clip. The three
radar tracks of the Cirrus crash over the East River in NY differ by
enough to convince me that radar could easily indict somebody who was
actually outside the airspace.

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Old February 8th 07, 10:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jose wrote:
How does ATC prove that someone has entered Bravo airspace?

Radar


While true, radar doesn't seem up to the task for a clip. The three
radar tracks of the Cirrus crash over the East River in NY differ by
enough to convince me that radar could easily indict somebody who was
actually outside the airspace.

Jose


Are you talking about the tracks you and many of us saw via online services
or honest to God FAA radar tracks?



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Old February 9th 07, 03:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Are you talking about the tracks you and many of us saw via online services
or honest to God FAA radar tracks?


I'm talking about the tracks I saw on the web. I presume these are FAA
radar tracks. They (allegedly) came from the Newark tower, the LGA
tower and the JFK tower, or something like that - three separate nearby
radar facilities.

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Old February 9th 07, 03:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jose wrote:



I'm talking about the tracks I saw on the web. I presume these are FAA
radar tracks. They (allegedly) came from the Newark tower, the LGA
tower and the JFK tower, or something like that - three separate nearby
radar facilities.





The actual FAA NTAP readout will have a point plotted every six seconds
with the aircrafts lat/lon.
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Old February 9th 07, 03:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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The actual FAA NTAP readout will have a point plotted every six seconds with the aircrafts lat/lon.

That's what I believe I saw. There were three such sets of points.

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Old February 9th 07, 03:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jose wrote:
Are you talking about the tracks you and many of us saw via online
services or honest to God FAA radar tracks?


I'm talking about the tracks I saw on the web. I presume these are
FAA radar tracks. They (allegedly) came from the Newark tower, the
LGA tower and the JFK tower, or something like that - three separate
nearby radar facilities.

Jose


That's what I thought you were saying. Those are VERY crude interpitations
of FAA radar plots.


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Old February 9th 07, 04:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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That's what I thought you were saying. Those are VERY crude interpitations
of FAA radar plots.


How would they be interpreted less crudely? Is there some signal
processing that goes on, that was not presented to the media?

Jose
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Old February 9th 07, 05:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jose wrote:
That's what I thought you were saying. Those are VERY crude
interpitations of FAA radar plots.


How would they be interpreted less crudely? Is there some signal
processing that goes on, that was not presented to the media?

Jose


Go visit an ATC facility.


 




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