FAA efficiency

"Morgans" wrote in message
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At what cost, will all of this technology be available?

For guys like Ron Want-a-jaw, and Joe Q Public just want to go for burgers
and breakfast, and smash bugs.

It will likely cost tens of thousands of dollars for each one of these
guys to buy the stuff that would be required. That isn't an option for
most, either.

Shoot, what about the guys that don't even have an electrical system, or a
transponder? Where are they going to fit in?


They sound like the VFR traffic that would continue to provide their own
separation, perhaps aided with a real-time graphical display of surrounding
traffic, if desired.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

They sound like the VFR traffic that would continue to provide their own
separation, perhaps aided with a real-time graphical display of
surrounding traffic, if desired.

What about when they want to go into a class C?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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What about when they want to go into a class C?


Guys like Ron Want-a-jaw and Joe Q. Public can find places outside of Class
C airspace to go for burgers and breakfast and smash bugs. The guys that
don't even have an electrical system or a transponder are already missing
the equipment required for entry to Class C airspace.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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What about when they want to go into a class C?


Guys like Ron Want-a-jaw and Joe Q. Public can find places outside of
Class C airspace to go for burgers and breakfast and smash bugs. The guys
that don't even have an electrical system or a transponder are already
missing the equipment required for entry to Class C airspace.

True, but if one wants to do the occasional cross country into class C and
has a radio and transponder, they will have to install a bunch of new
technology, costing thousands, right? That sounds like a move in the wrong
direction for GA.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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True, but if one wants to do the occasional cross country into class C and
has a radio and transponder, they will have to install a bunch of new
technology, costing thousands, right?


Sounds about right.



That sounds like a move in the wrong direction for GA.


Why? Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Why? Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.
How does costs of installing thousands of dollars of technology in a GA
aircraft equate to less cost?

I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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How does costs of installing thousands of dollars of technology in a GA
aircraft equate to less cost?


By being less costly than the alternative.



I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.


Show me the math.

I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.

How 'bout this:

Give each aircraft owner three years' worth of that per-pilot money
the FAA is now spending to operate the national airspace, with the
requirement that we MUST use that money to add ADS-B and moving map
displays. That's $22K x 3 years, or $66,000.00.

I could put a very impressive glass cockpit in Atlas for $66K, and
I'll promise to never, ever use ATC again, except when entering Class
C or B airspace.

Do this to every aircraft in America, eliminate 75% of the ATC budget,
and in three years the FAA will be rolling in money.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.cmo
"Your Aviation Destination

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Why? Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.
How does costs of installing thousands of dollars of technology in a GA
aircraft equate to less cost?

I could pay for many movements without automation, (possibly a lifetime)
before the cost saving would be anywhere close to breaking even.

The question becomes how much must it costs to put a datalink in the cockpit.
I think there are relatively inexpensive Mode-S upgrades available, and if
they were to be adopted by a large majority of the airplanes out there, I bet
the price would go down further and more competitors would show up.

The trick is that the FAA has to make it cost effective to get certified so
that there are competitors out there. But that's not likely to happen.

Automation in ATC could provide better service at less cost.

For whom?

Jose
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