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Old July 10th 03, 01:27 PM
Keith Willshaw
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"John Mullen" wrote in message
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The US didnt try to fit anyone up, the RAF courtmartialled him


I had inferred there was an element of political pressure from our allies
and masters - or else why would the RAF have brought such a stupid and
pointless case? Either I'm being too paranoid, or you're being naive

John



SO your accusation is in fact based only on your
own assumptions and prejudices.

Nuff said.

Keith



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Old July 10th 03, 01:37 PM
John Mullen
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"John Mullen" wrote in message
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The US didnt try to fit anyone up, the RAF courtmartialled him


I had inferred there was an element of political pressure from our

allies
and masters - or else why would the RAF have brought such a stupid and
pointless case? Either I'm being too paranoid, or you're being naive

John



SO your accusation is in fact based only on your
own assumptions and prejudices.


.... and a certain knowledge of how the world works.

Nuff said.


Why do *you* think the RAF brought a case they could never win?

John


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Old July 10th 03, 01:53 PM
Ralph Savelsberg
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John Mullen wrote:


The US didnt try to fit anyone up, the RAF courtmartialled him

I had inferred there was an element of political pressure from our

allies

and masters - or else why would the RAF have brought such a stupid and
pointless case? Either I'm being too paranoid, or you're being naive

John



SO your accusation is in fact based only on your
own assumptions and prejudices.


... and a certain knowledge of how the world works.


Nuff said.


Why do *you* think the RAF brought a case they could never win?

John




Might I suggest that both of you read an article about this very subject
in this month's Air Forces Monthly?
John Mullen doesn't seem to be the only one who has inferred that the US
pushed the RAF into blaiming the ATC officer.
The writer of abovementioned article (who served as a defense witness
regarding ATC procedures during the courtmartial)
also writes having this impression.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg

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Old July 10th 03, 04:39 PM
John Mullen
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"Ralph Savelsberg" wrote in message
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John Mullen wrote:


The US didnt try to fit anyone up, the RAF courtmartialled him

I had inferred there was an element of political pressure from our

allies

and masters - or else why would the RAF have brought such a stupid and
pointless case? Either I'm being too paranoid, or you're being naive

John



SO your accusation is in fact based only on your
own assumptions and prejudices.


... and a certain knowledge of how the world works.


Nuff said.


Why do *you* think the RAF brought a case they could never win?

John




Might I suggest that both of you read an article about this very subject
in this month's Air Forces Monthly?
John Mullen doesn't seem to be the only one who has inferred that the US
pushed the RAF into blaiming the ATC officer.
The writer of abovementioned article (who served as a defense witness
regarding ATC procedures during the courtmartial)
also writes having this impression.


Thanks a million Ralph - you just reminded me my subscription to AFM has
expired, which accounts for the fact the latest issue hasn't arrived! Just
renewed it, and off to the shop to buy the current issue and read the
article you mention...

John


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Old July 11th 03, 09:11 AM
Ralph Savelsberg
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John Mullen wrote:

"Ralph Savelsberg" wrote in message
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John Mullen wrote:



The US didnt try to fit anyone up, the RAF courtmartialled him


I had inferred there was an element of political pressure from our


allies


and masters - or else why would the RAF have brought such a stupid and
pointless case? Either I'm being too paranoid, or you're being naive

John




SO your accusation is in fact based only on your
own assumptions and prejudices.


... and a certain knowledge of how the world works.



Nuff said.


Why do *you* think the RAF brought a case they could never win?

John




Might I suggest that both of you read an article about this very subject
in this month's Air Forces Monthly?
John Mullen doesn't seem to be the only one who has inferred that the US
pushed the RAF into blaiming the ATC officer.
The writer of abovementioned article (who served as a defense witness
regarding ATC procedures during the courtmartial)
also writes having this impression.


Thanks a million Ralph - you just reminded me my subscription to AFM has
expired, which accounts for the fact the latest issue hasn't arrived! Just
renewed it, and off to the shop to buy the current issue and read the
article you mention...

John



A little addendum to my previous message. The writer of the article is
Steve Davies, who himself wasn't involved with the case. I was confused
by a picture in it which showed one of the defence witnesses, which lead
me to assume he was the guy who wrote it. I had had only skimmed the
article until yesterday. Sorry for the mix-up.

Anyway, Davies specifically raises a number of questions including:
Was there pressure from the USA to convene a court martial?

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg




 




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