One of the best Typhoon shots

"Kirk Stant" wrote in message
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As an aside, how in the world can Eurofighter make any front aspect LO
claims for this plane! Unless the whole thing is made out of RAM, it's
got more right angles and bumps than an F-4! The wingroot (gun port
fairing?) is hideous!

I suppose they make claims at least partly based on data.

Nice HUD, though. Too bad HUDs are obsolete (see F-35).

Not yet. The Typhoon is in service (just). The F-22 is not yet in service
but it also has a HUD. Eventually HMD's may be good enough to do everything
you need a HUD for, but not yet. The JSF program has had to take some gutsy
risks with technology to keep the aircraft affordable. We'll see whether
this one pays off.

Typhoon seems like a nice plane, but I think the Rafale is much better
looking. Would love to see a real, unbiased (fat chance) comparison
of the two

I have. The Typhoon scored much higher.

Not that that will win any fights...except at airshows,
maybe.

To some extent it depends who it's (I suppose you still mean the Typhoon?)
fighting. It's brand-new, late and still has a lot of capability to be
cleared, but fundamentally it's better than the in-service competition.
Let's talk again when (if?) the F-22 gets into service.

Fights on!
Goodness, is that the time! Rabbit!

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:29:49 +0100, NoHoverStop wrote:
"Kirk Stant" wrote in message

Nice HUD, though. Too bad HUDs are obsolete (see F-35).

Not yet. The Typhoon is in service (just). The F-22 is not yet in service
but it also has a HUD. Eventually HMD's may be good enough to do everything
you need a HUD for, but not yet. The JSF program has had to take some gutsy
risks with technology to keep the aircraft affordable. We'll see whether
this one pays off.

Why is a HMD better than a HUD?

Would love to see a real, unbiased (fat chance) comparison
of the two

I have. The Typhoon scored much higher.

Is this the DERA study?


Not that that will win any fights...except at airshows,
maybe.

To some extent it depends who it's (I suppose you still mean the Typhoon?)
fighting. It's brand-new, late and still has a lot of capability to be
cleared, but fundamentally it's better than the in-service competition.
Let's talk again when (if?) the F-22 gets into service.

So, if the Typhoon is used in combat, what's the most likely
adversary?

--
Phil
"If only sarcasm could overturn bureaucracies"
-- NTK, commenting on www.cabalamat.org/weblog/art_29.html

"NoHoverStop" wrote in message

I suppose they make claims at least partly based on data.

Hmmm, marketing data perhaps. Or maybe euro physics are different...


Not yet. The Typhoon is in service (just). The F-22 is not yet in service
but it also has a HUD. Eventually HMD's may be good enough to do everything
you need a HUD for, but not yet. The JSF program has had to take some gutsy
risks with technology to keep the aircraft affordable. We'll see whether
this one pays off.


In service? In a line squadron flown by line pilots? The F-22s being
flown at Edwards and Nellis could be considered "in service (just)"!
Of course, the Rafale is definitely "in service", and has flown
"combat" missions in support of ops in Afghanistan, I believe.

I have. The Typhoon scored much higher.


I've probably seen the same reports. I'm not convinced. It may be a
little better in a knife fight (better T/W) but avionics? Not sure -
and nobody knife fights anymore. It will be interesting to see how
the two develop. Will it be Mirage III vs Lightning again?

To some extent it depends who it's (I suppose you still mean the Typhoon?)
fighting. It's brand-new, late and still has a lot of capability to be
cleared, but fundamentally it's better than the in-service competition.
Let's talk again when (if?) the F-22 gets into service.

Fundamentally? No, the F-22 and F-35s are "fundamentally" better. The
Typhoon may be incrementally better, but in a fight against Gripens or
Rafales, it would be the whole combat environment that would determine
the winner, in my opinion. Let me fight at night in an F-15E with a
full up AWACS environment with JTIDS, against a stand-alone Typhoon,
and I'm comfortable who would win.

Still, its a nice fighter, I would love to fly it, and I'm glad it's
mainly on our side (not sure about the German ones...).

Kirk