Flight Review in a turbo twin

On Feb 16, 4:58 pm, Newps wrote:
Kyle Boatright wrote:
As a CFI I would not sign a guy off in a single for a BFR if I know
his daily flying is a turbo twin.

I have a friend with four super cubs, one on amphibs. A 182 with a
canard on the nose, 310 hp and 26 bush wheels all around.
A Spartan Executive. A Caravan and a 210 with a turbine in it. What
should he do his BFR with?

For the FAA or for safety? A review in each plane would not be a bad
idea or at least take the 310 and the Spartan. This issue came up in
some discussions from the FAA. The question was, should you do a BFR
in a C-152 for a guy who only flies his Citation. Legally, you can.
Personally, I would not. The BFR should be made to suit the type of
flying the pilot does. I can't do Citation work in a C-150.

-Robert

On Feb 16, 3:06 pm, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in glegroups.com...





On Feb 16, 6:35 am, Nathan Young wrote:

The flight portion of my BFRs have focused on basic maneuvers, stalls,
slow flight, steep turns, and landings.

These procedures pretty much dictate the engines will go through many
high/low power cycles... Not the best for a turbo'd engine.

If I was you, I would rent a single for the day.

As a CFI I would not sign a guy off in a single for a BFR if I know
his daily flying is a turbo twin. However, we could probably do the
flight review in the twin without putting too much stress on his
engines. Or, he could rent a twin.

-Robert, CFII

You're the CFI, so you can sign off whatever you want, but that doesn't make
sense to me. If a guy who flies B-747's for a living can get his tailwheel
endorsement and have that count as a BFR, I don't see why anyone would draw
a line in the sand as you describe... I don't think that is what the FAA
intended when they created the BFR...

A guess who flys 747's for a living doesn't require a BFR endorsement
but a biannual CFI ride in the tailwheel isn't a bad idea if he flys
tailwheels.

-Robert

"chad" wrote:

I own a turbo Cessna 310 and I'm wondering if other turbo twin owners
do their biennial flight review in their aircraft. Is single engine
work required for a flight review if done in a twin? I'm concered
that doing the review in my aircraft may be hard on the engines,
specifically the turbos. Would I be better off to just rent a single
engine for the review?

Pardon the question from an ASEL owner, but what good is a BFR for a ME pilot
that doesn't include engine-out procedures?

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

On Feb 16, 9:43 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"chad" wrote:
I own a turbo Cessna 310 and I'm wondering if other turbo twin owners
do their biennial flight review in their aircraft. Is single engine
work required for a flight review if done in a twin? I'm concered
that doing the review in my aircraft may be hard on the engines,
specifically the turbos. Would I be better off to just rent a single
engine for the review?

Pardon the question from an ASEL owner, but what good is a BFR for a ME pilot
that doesn't include engine-out procedures?

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

The BFR is non plane specific, non maneuver specific, etc... The CFI
can call for engine out procedures but that is exactly what he does
not want his turbo engines to go through... If he does it in his
plane, then he and the CFI have to decide what specific maneuvers will
be done...
Even though I learned to fly in conventional gear and flew such planes
most of my youth (J3, T-craft, 120, 103, etc.) I have also spent the
past few decades pushing twins towards the horizon... This past BFR I
chose to renew my aquaintance with conventional gear by checking out
in a PA-12... The reason for this one is that it returns me to the
right hand stick, left hand throttle, world.. First ten minutes were
fun breaking my right hand from moving when my brain called for power
changes... By the end of the sessionI had the full stall landing
working again and the hands sorted out... More fun that a bag full of
monkeys... Gonna do it for the next BFR also...

"Denny" wrote:

Pardon the question from an ASEL owner, but what good is a BFR for a ME
pilot
that doesn't include engine-out procedures?


The BFR is non plane specific, non maneuver specific, etc... The CFI
can call for engine out procedures but that is exactly what he does
not want his turbo engines to go through... If he does it in his
plane, then he and the CFI have to decide what specific maneuvers will
be done...
Even though I learned to fly in conventional gear and flew such planes
most of my youth (J3, T-craft, 120, 103, etc.) I have also spent the
past few decades pushing twins towards the horizon... This past BFR I
chose to renew my aquaintance with conventional gear by checking out
in a PA-12... The reason for this one is that it returns me to the
right hand stick, left hand throttle, world.. First ten minutes were
fun breaking my right hand from moving when my brain called for power
changes... By the end of the session I had the full stall landing
working again and the hands sorted out... More fun that a bag full of
monkeys... Gonna do it for the next BFR also...

Sounds like fun.

I guess it's ok if you can say for sure your engine-out skills are sharp. A
couple of my ME pilot acquaintances of mine couldn't truthfully make that
statement.


--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

What's a "103?"

"Curator" N185KG



"Denny" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 9:43 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"chad" wrote:
I own a turbo Cessna 310 and I'm wondering if other turbo twin owners
do their biennial flight review in their aircraft. Is single engine
work required for a flight review if done in a twin? I'm concered
that doing the review in my aircraft may be hard on the engines,
specifically the turbos. Would I be better off to just rent a single
engine for the review?

Pardon the question from an ASEL owner, but what good is a BFR for a ME
pilot
that doesn't include engine-out procedures?

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

The BFR is non plane specific, non maneuver specific, etc... The CFI
can call for engine out procedures but that is exactly what he does
not want his turbo engines to go through... If he does it in his
plane, then he and the CFI have to decide what specific maneuvers will
be done...
Even though I learned to fly in conventional gear and flew such planes
most of my youth (J3, T-craft, 120, 103, etc.) I have also spent the
past few decades pushing twins towards the horizon... This past BFR I
chose to renew my aquaintance with conventional gear by checking out
in a PA-12... The reason for this one is that it returns me to the
right hand stick, left hand throttle, world.. First ten minutes were
fun breaking my right hand from moving when my brain called for power
changes... By the end of the sessionI had the full stall landing
working again and the hands sorted out... More fun that a bag full of
monkeys... Gonna do it for the next BFR also...

On Feb 16, 12:12 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
What's a "103?"

"Curator" N185KG

Stinson Stationwagon

"Denny" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 16, 12:12 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
What's a "103?"

"Curator" N185KG

Stinson Stationwagon

Disguised as a "108" maybe?

Does the CFI giving the review need to have a CFIMEL rating if the flight is in the twin?


"Denny" wrote in message oups.com...
: On Feb 16, 9:43 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:
: "chad" wrote:
: I own a turbo Cessna 310 and I'm wondering if other turbo twin owners
: do their biennial flight review in their aircraft. Is single engine
: work required for a flight review if done in a twin? I'm concered
: that doing the review in my aircraft may be hard on the engines,
: specifically the turbos. Would I be better off to just rent a single
: engine for the review?
:
: Pardon the question from an ASEL owner, but what good is a BFR for a ME pilot
: that doesn't include engine-out procedures?
:
: --
: Dan
: C-172RG at BFM
:
: The BFR is non plane specific, non maneuver specific, etc... The CFI
: can call for engine out procedures but that is exactly what he does
: not want his turbo engines to go through... If he does it in his
: plane, then he and the CFI have to decide what specific maneuvers will
: be done...
: Even though I learned to fly in conventional gear and flew such planes
: most of my youth (J3, T-craft, 120, 103, etc.) I have also spent the
: past few decades pushing twins towards the horizon... This past BFR I
: chose to renew my aquaintance with conventional gear by checking out
: in a PA-12... The reason for this one is that it returns me to the
: right hand stick, left hand throttle, world.. First ten minutes were
: fun breaking my right hand from moving when my brain called for power
: changes... By the end of the sessionI had the full stall landing
: working again and the hands sorted out... More fun that a bag full of
: monkeys... Gonna do it for the next BFR also...
:

On Feb 16, 4:16 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
Does the CFI giving the review need to have a CFIMEL rating if the flight is in the twin?

Yes, the CFI must hold a CFI rating in the aircraft being used.

-Robert