Late BFR

C J Campbell wrote:
Most FAA inspectors in my experience are not jerks, but people genuinely
interested in aviation safety. Yes, there are a few jerks out there, but
those guys will find an excuse to hang you no matter what you do. And I
am not saying that just because the FAA does a lot of training flights
out of our flight school. :-)

Jim Stewart wrote:
I'm glad you said that. I can't help but wonder
why most everyone else has such a contentious
attitude towards the FAA.

How many people have been mistreated by the FAA
to lead them to have such an attitude?

I wonder the same thing.
I had a mechanical failure and emergency off-field landing that totaled
my airplane last year, and the FAA was VERY professional, helpful and
supportive. I was prepared for the worst, because of all the comments
about how "the FAA out to get you" ... and was very pleasantly surprised
they were nothing like that.

Jim Stewart wrote:
C J Campbell wrote:
On 2007-03-25 05:54:49 -0700, "Dan Luke" said:


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

The logbook is your personal document. It becomes a legal document
only when you submit it for inspection by the FAA for a checkride or
ramp check.


You do not have to show your logbook to the FAA at a ramp check.


Even so, I cannot imagine an FAA inspector going through your logbook to
see if every flight you ever made was legal or not. At most, he will
look to see when your last BFR was. If it is overdue, the most likely
action is that he will tell you that you need a BFR and encourage you to
get one.

Most FAA inspectors in my experience are not jerks, but people genuinely
interested in aviation safety. Yes, there are a few jerks out there, but
those guys will find an excuse to hang you no matter what you do. And I
am not saying that just because the FAA does a lot of training flights
out of our flight school. :-)

I'm glad you said that. I can't help but wonder
why most everyone else has such a contentious
attitude towards the FAA.

How many people have been mistreated by the FAA
to lead them to have such an attitude?

It only takes a few incidents such as the Bob Hover debacle to get
everyone goosey.

Plus it is bad news that is interesting.

People don't sit around swapping stories about what a non-event their
encounter with the FAA was, they talk about the one time they, or
someone they know, got drug over the coals.

--
Jim Pennino

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Jim Stewart wrote:
C J Campbell wrote:
On 2007-03-25 05:54:49 -0700, "Dan Luke" said:


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote:

The logbook is your personal document. It becomes a legal document
only when you submit it for inspection by the FAA for a checkride or
ramp check.


You do not have to show your logbook to the FAA at a ramp check.


Even so, I cannot imagine an FAA inspector going through your logbook
to see if every flight you ever made was legal or not. At most, he
will look to see when your last BFR was. If it is overdue, the most
likely action is that he will tell you that you need a BFR and
encourage you to get one.

Most FAA inspectors in my experience are not jerks, but people
genuinely interested in aviation safety. Yes, there are a few jerks
out there, but those guys will find an excuse to hang you no matter
what you do. And I am not saying that just because the FAA does a lot
of training flights out of our flight school. :-)

I'm glad you said that. I can't help but wonder
why most everyone else has such a contentious
attitude towards the FAA.

How many people have been mistreated by the FAA
to lead them to have such an attitude?


I haven't and I don't know anyone who has, but the few that have
happened have been pretty high profile such as the Hoover case. This
certainly cements in people's minds that all of the FAA are idiots like
the two cretins that busted Bob.

Matt

Get a BFR ASAP and make sure it is logged. Beyond that,
just be thankful that no mishap ocurred thus far that
would have resulted in your logbook being scrutinized.

A technical violation of the flight review is a minor think,
particularly since you did do "check flights" with the club.
It is an "honest error" and best kept to yourself.

BUT whatever you do, do not try to go back and amend your
logbook to "cover your tracks and make it right. That is
logbook fraud and they will revoke all your certificates and
require you to wait at least 1 year to apply again, and
taking all the required training and testing again.

Don't report yourself and don't bother with the NASA report,
it doesn't cover that type of error.

Just don't do it again. And the new logbook isn't a bad
idea, just transfer the totals and start clean. Maybe burn
the old one.


"kontiki" wrote in message
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| Get a BFR ASAP and make sure it is logged. Beyond that,
| just be thankful that no mishap ocurred thus far that
| would have resulted in your logbook being scrutinized.
|

On 2007-03-24 20:55:52 -0700, "Jim Macklin"
said:

A technical violation of the flight review is a minor think,
particularly since you did do "check flights" with the club.
It is an "honest error" and best kept to yourself.

BUT whatever you do, do not try to go back and amend your
logbook to "cover your tracks and make it right. That is
logbook fraud and they will revoke all your certificates and
require you to wait at least 1 year to apply again, and
taking all the required training and testing again.

Don't report yourself and don't bother with the NASA report,
it doesn't cover that type of error.

Just don't do it again. And the new logbook isn't a bad
idea, just transfer the totals and start clean. Maybe burn
the old one.

I would not recommend burning the old one. Aside from old endorsements
and stuff that might be valuable from an insurance standpoint, there is
usually a lot of emotional attachment to a logbook. I just wouldn't
volunteer its contents to anyone who might look to see if all the BFRs
are in there.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Anonymous coward #673 wrote:
I fly through an organization that requires a proficiency check ride
every six months. As a result I somehow got it into my head that I
didn't need to worry about BFR's any more. But today my instructor
reminded me that a BFR requires an hour of ground instruction, so
technically I have not completed a BFR for (as it turns out) more than
two years (though I have received considerably more recurrent in-flight
training than the regs require). My log book now contains entries for
numerous flights conducted (inadvertently) in violation of FAR61.56.

My question to the group: what is the best way to handle this situation?
Obviously I am going to get my hour of ground instruction ASAP, but what
about all those flights that I've already logged? Should I file an ASRS
form? Call up the local FSDO and confess? Scribble out all those log
entries? Deduct the hours on those illegal flights from my PIC time?
Bribe my flight instructor to back-date my BFR? Or should I just not
worry about it and hope they don't haul my ass to Gitmo for falsifying
my log book?
You might also want to check to see if the safety meetings count as part
of the hour of ground instructions. You may only be missing the sign
offs not the work itself.

I fly through an organization that requires a proficiency check ride
every six months. As a result I somehow got it into my head that I
didn't need to worry about BFR's any more. But today my instructor
reminded me that a BFR requires an hour of ground instruction, so
technically I have not completed a BFR for (as it turns out) more than
two years (though I have received considerably more recurrent in-flight
training than the regs require). My log book now contains entries for
numerous flights conducted (inadvertently) in violation of FAR61.56.

My question to the group: what is the best way to handle this situation?
Obviously I am going to get my hour of ground instruction ASAP, but what
about all those flights that I've already logged? Should I file an ASRS
form? Call up the local FSDO and confess? Scribble out all those log
entries? Deduct the hours on those illegal flights from my PIC time?
Bribe my flight instructor to back-date my BFR? Or should I just not
worry about it and hope they don't haul my ass to Gitmo for falsifying
my log book?

A call to AOPA couldn't hurt.

On 2007-03-24 14:57:01 -0700, Anonymous coward #673 said:
My log book now contains entries for
numerous flights conducted (inadvertently) in violation of FAR61.56.

My question to the group: what is the best way to handle this situation?


There is no requirement to keep a logbook except to show currency. Get
a new logbook, move the total hours into it, and forget about it.

Get your BFR signed off in the new logbook and log enough takeoffs and
landings to show currency. No one will have any reason to look in your
old logbook. Once you get the BFR, I doubt if even the FAA would care.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
On 2007-03-24 14:57:01 -0700, Anonymous coward #673
said:
My log book now contains entries for
numerous flights conducted (inadvertently) in violation of FAR61.56.

My question to the group: what is the best way to handle this situation?


There is no requirement to keep a logbook except to show currency. Get a
new logbook, move the total hours into it, and forget about it.

Get your BFR signed off in the new logbook and log enough takeoffs and
landings to show currency. No one will have any reason to look in your
old logbook. Once you get the BFR, I doubt if even the FAA would care.

The above is true. What is a logbook? I use a spiral notebook in the
plane that I replace every six months or so.
What happens if I lose my "logbook" and can't prove I had a BFR? Well,
the guy who gave me the BFR put it in HIS logbook and the FAR says only
that it must be logged in a logbook, not WHOSE logbook.
Please don't read stuff into the FAR's.

--
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
—- Voltaire