IFR in uncontroller airspace

"kevmor" wrote in message
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If it's uncontrolled, how do you know someone just like you didn't
take off in the same area, and your in IMC?

On Apr 11, 9:35 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
Everytime I leave my home airport IFR I'm flying IFR in uncontrolled
airspace, I don't file unless I think the fog is high enough to extend
into controlled airspace. Also, 75% of all my IFR in Mexico is
uncontrolled.

-Robert



You don't. I think the theory of uncontrolled space is there are so few
planes the likelyhood of a conflict is very, very small.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote in message ...
:
: "kevmor" wrote in message
: ups.com...
: If it's uncontrolled, how do you know someone just like you didn't
: take off in the same area, and your in IMC?
:
: On Apr 11, 9:35 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
: Everytime I leave my home airport IFR I'm flying IFR in uncontrolled
: airspace, I don't file unless I think the fog is high enough to extend
: into controlled airspace. Also, 75% of all my IFR in Mexico is
: uncontrolled.
:
: -Robert
:
:
:
: You don't. I think the theory of uncontrolled space is there are so few
: planes the likelyhood of a conflict is very, very small.
:
: Danny Deger
:
:
The title to this thread should be "IF" in uncontrolled airspace, the "R" makes it an oxymoron...

"Blueskies" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
...
:
: "kevmor" wrote in message
: ups.com...
: If it's uncontrolled, how do you know someone just like you didn't
: take off in the same area, and your in IMC?
:
: On Apr 11, 9:35 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
: Everytime I leave my home airport IFR I'm flying IFR in uncontrolled
: airspace, I don't file unless I think the fog is high enough to
extend
: into controlled airspace. Also, 75% of all my IFR in Mexico is
: uncontrolled.
:
: -Robert
:
:
:
: You don't. I think the theory of uncontrolled space is there are so few
: planes the likelyhood of a conflict is very, very small.
:
: Danny Deger
:
:
The title to this thread should be "IF" in uncontrolled airspace, the "R"
makes it an oxymoron...



Yes I know. I made a typo.

Danny Deger

Blueskies wrote:

:
The title to this thread should be "IF" in uncontrolled airspace, the "R" makes it an oxymoron...



All the IFR RULES still apply. The only thing you don't have
is a clearance.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message ...
: Blueskies wrote:
:
: :
: The title to this thread should be "IF" in uncontrolled airspace, the "R" makes it an oxymoron...
:
:
:
: All the IFR RULES still apply. The only thing you don't have
: is a clearance.


Isn't a clearance one of the rules?

"Blueskies" wrote in message
t...

Isn't a clearance one of the rules?


Only in controlled airspace.


§ 91.173 ATC clearance and flight plan required.
No person may operate an aircraft in controlled airspace under IFR unless
that person has-

(a) Filed an IFR flight plan; and

(b) Received an appropriate ATC clearance.

"Blueskies" writes:

: All the IFR RULES still apply. The only thing you don't have
: is a clearance.

Isn't a clearance one of the rules?

Of course not, in uncontrolled airspace. But many other rules apply:
cruise altitudes for direction of flight, minimum altitudes, etc.

- FChE

"Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message ...
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: "Blueskies" writes:
:
: : All the IFR RULES still apply. The only thing you don't have
: : is a clearance.
:
: Isn't a clearance one of the rules?
:
: Of course not, in uncontrolled airspace. But many other rules apply:
: cruise altitudes for direction of flight, minimum altitudes, etc.
:
: - FChE


I guess I really don't get this. Folks fly below VFR minimums in class G under IFR? Under what 'rules?'

"Blueskies" wrote in message
t...

I guess I really don't get this. Folks fly below VFR minimums in class G
under
IFR? Under what 'rules?'


Under the Instrument Flight Rules. See Part 91 Subpart B, 91.167 through
91.193.

"Blueskies" writes:

I guess I really don't get this. Folks fly below VFR minimums in
class G under IFR?

Yes, that's what we've been telling you.

Under what 'rules?'

There are numerous rules. Read the AIM/FARs, and ignore only those
clauses that are conditioned on "in controlled airspace". The rest
probably apply.

- FChE